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Kreale
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Recently purchased fc 5000. Did I trial plot ! Measured distances manually in field then shot using DC . We are coming up with a consistent 1% error on all shots. Please help can't figure out where error is coming from.?ÿ

 
Posted : February 11, 2021 11:22 am
Norman_Oklahoma
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My guess is that you are set up with some grid coordinate system that is not appropriate for the coordinates you are using. It's applying a huge scale factor to your measurements.?ÿ

Another possibility is prism constant.?ÿ ?ÿ

 
Posted : February 11, 2021 11:48 am
dgm-pls
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Similarly look out to make sure nothing is getting double corrected.?ÿ Corrected in the instrument and then in the DC after.?ÿ All the number might look correct for your gear but 2x corrected not correct.?ÿ

Also check your PPM or temperature settings on the instrument.

Don't ask me how I ran into these...

 
Posted : February 11, 2021 12:58 pm
field-dog
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Posted by: @dgm-pls

Also check your PPM or temperature settings on the instrument.

You can enter barometric pressure and temperature in the FC-5000 and send them to the instrument.

 
Posted : February 11, 2021 2:27 pm
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Posted by: @dgm-pls

Similarly look out to make sure nothing is getting double corrected.

Earth Curvature and Refraction

https://surveyorconnect.com/community/education-training/earth-curvature-and-refraction/

?ÿ

 
Posted : February 11, 2021 2:34 pm

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Posted by: @kreale

Recently purchased fc 5000. Did I trial plot ! Measured distances manually in field then shot using DC . We are coming up with a consistent 1% error on all shots. Please help can't figure out where error is coming from.?ÿ

1% ????ÿ

That would be 1.01 or 0.99 (10,000ppm) or 1 foot in 100 feet!

I can't imagine ANY combination of prism offset. environmental correction, Curvature & Refraction, that would come anywhere close to that.

If in fact you are seeing a consistent 1% variance (bigger or smaller) across varying distances, then it pretty much has to be a SCALE problem in the data collector. In other words, one or more "fields" in the data collector has a VERY messed up value entered into it.

Loyal?ÿ ?ÿ

 
Posted : February 11, 2021 2:54 pm
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I can't believe all these wild a$$ guesses are being tossed around when we don't even know what the OP is trying to measure.?ÿ

Is this slope or grade?

It is horizontal distance?

He did a trial plot? What is that? Are we talking about CAD?

?ÿ

 
Posted : February 11, 2021 3:16 pm
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@leegreen

Reminds me of when I get those cryptic emails from construction supers saying nothing other than "Something's wrong with your grades. We need a revised cut sheet ASAP." End email.

 
Posted : February 11, 2021 4:10 pm
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Come on, you're not new here?

I can't believe that you can't believe that

 
Posted : February 12, 2021 6:56 am
brad-ott
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These are people just trying to be helpful in a positive way, knowing that new posters vary with the quantity and quality of background information.

 
Posted : February 12, 2021 8:40 am

holy-cow
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A one percent error is HUGE.?ÿ I don't think you could possibly be that far off between two methods.?ÿ

 
Posted : February 12, 2021 9:35 am
Mark Mayer
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@leegreen

Relax. This is a discussion board, not a help desk.

 
Posted : February 12, 2021 9:57 am
MightyMoe
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No grid scale factor is 1% that I've ever seen, however I have seen someone try and push a SPC file from one zone into another zone. For instance you have a DC with Wyoming East Central Zone. You take that DC and go work in the West Zone, you can have a 1% grid scale factor then. Same with UTM zones. This is the only thing I can think of. This would cause the distances to be long. Or take a DC with the Montana Lambert zone stored in it and go work in south Idaho, same problem.?ÿ

 
Posted : February 12, 2021 10:29 am
RADAR
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Posted by: @leegreen

we don't even know what the OP is trying to measure.?ÿ

And that's why you have all these wild a$$ guesses...

 
Posted : February 12, 2021 10:32 am
Larry Best
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I know what it is. It's Danish feet.?ÿ?ÿ

From Wikipedia:

The?ÿDanes?ÿstarted with a?ÿsystem of units?ÿbased on a Greek?ÿpous?ÿ("foot") of 308.4 millimetres (1.012?ÿft) which they picked up through trade in the late?ÿBronze Age/early?ÿIron Age.

This is given as an explanation for lost or stolen land in the VI. But the Danish land records from 1 to 2 centuries ago weren't anywhere near accurate to 1%.

 
Posted : February 12, 2021 11:38 am

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Posted by: @dougie
Posted by: @leegreen

we don't even know what the OP is trying to measure.?ÿ

And that's why you have all these wild a$$ guesses...

And it's interesting that we haven't heard back from the OP yet. I for one would be interested if the issues was resolved, and what the problem was.

During my tech support days, it was not uncommon to hear from a field crew that tried to enter a scale factor for all of their conventional measurements because "we're working on state plane". Sometimes they reaaally fat-fingered that scale factor before calling me in a panic.

Fun fact, most of those projects were actually local ground coordinate systems that had been based on state plane, but the coordinate values had not been truncated so they looked like state plane, causing all sorts of problems. Friends don't let friends scale to ground without truncating...

 
Posted : February 12, 2021 11:54 am