I was doing simple property line stake yesterday on a small lot in a nearby town. It was about 150' x 250' and wooded on two of the sides. When I got done I brought the owner lady?ÿ over to show her the stakes and the line. Well because there was a couple of huge trees online she could not see the stakes so she moved offline and said the stakes don't line up. So I had to physically move her over to stand "online" and she said "but I can't see the stakes". It took me about 10 minutes to get her to understand that because the trees were online and blocking the line of sight she would not be able to see directly down the line. She wanted me to move the stakes so she could see the line without the trees blocking her.
I considered for a fraction of a second about putting some offset stakes and then thought to myself, "Nope, not gonna do it, that will become a giant cluster f$%k if I do that and I will get accused of doing something wrong."?ÿ
Edit: Sometimes I'm a bit dense, especially on techy stuff, but this was almost surreal and I was almost in disbelief that someone, anyone, could not grasp what the problem was.
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My Dad?ÿuse to say, you can't teach common sense.
I've had that happen before.
get a roll of yellow caution tape and roll it out down the line, makes it a clearer.
It's not really common sense, we have experience in perception of invisible geometric reality that they don't have.
Shoulda just cut all the trees down so she could see. You know,?ÿcan't see the forest cause the damn trees are in the way.?ÿ ??ÿ
.... this was almost surreal and I was almost in disbelief that someone, anyone, could not grasp what the problem was.
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We forget that being able to see things spatially, even when we can't physically see them,?ÿ is an ability we possess which many otherwise intelligent people simply don't.
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Hence the phrase, "I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.".
My favorite is when they are standing between the stakes and they look both ways and think they are online. My reply is I wish that I had that gift.
I assume you put some flagging around the tree that was on the line.?ÿ If not, maybe that would have helped her understand.?ÿ My wife has trouble picturing things "spatially", but she's better at remembering how to get somewhere than I am (especially in some winding subdivision).?ÿ She'll say something like turn right where that white house with the blue trim is.
I did several jobs for a guy like that, except that he actually was on line 95% of the time. I started dropping a wad of flagging where he was standing and checked after he left.?ÿ He definitely had some spatial awareness that I do not possess.
... ?ÿHe definitely had some spatial awareness that I do not possess.
I'm pretty good at that too, probably from all those years of wiggling-in... Remember that guy from the old board? Cam something or other; or maybe it James Turbyfill. Anyway, he didn't know what double centering was or wiggling-in; some folks call it bucking-in. And he claimed to have been surveying his whole life. Trimble Man and a few others tried to set him straight; it was comical...
I like to use a pole or straight stick; even a machete will work in a pinch: Hold it in the middle and point one end at the first point; look down the other end to see where line is; adjust accordingly.
Dougie
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... ?ÿHe definitely had some spatial awareness that I do not possess.
I'm pretty good at that too, probably from all those years of wiggling-in... Remember that guy from the old board? Cam something or other; or maybe it James Turbyfill. Anyway, he didn't know what double centering was or wiggling-in; some folks call it bucking-in. And he claimed to have been surveying his whole life. Trimble Man and a few others tried to set him straight; it was comical...
I like to use a pole or straight stick; even a machete will work in a pinch: Hold it in the middle and point one end at the first point; look down the other end to see where line is; adjust accordingly.
Dougie
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we used to wiggle in a lot, it saved a ton of calcs on the Curta. Cousin Dick used his plumb bob string to get close, he was amazingly accurate.
my spouse has zip spatial sense, but she can draw a very useful map of directions... her brain works different.
...Cousin Dick used his plumb bob string to get close, he was amazingly accurate.
Never thought of using a plumb bob string; that's genius!
Thank you Peter; you just made my day!
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My signature says it all...
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you...
One of my favorite memories is of the boss' son looking at two lath and saying "These two line up." Do tell...
Couldn't you have placed some wood stakes on the line in front of and in back of the tree(s) for her?
... ?ÿHe definitely had some spatial awareness that I do not possess.
I'm pretty good at that too, probably from all those years of wiggling-in... Remember that guy from the old board? Cam something or other; or maybe it James Turbyfill. Anyway, he didn't know what double centering was or wiggling-in; some folks call it bucking-in. And he claimed to have been surveying his whole life. Trimble Man and a few others tried to set him straight; it was comical...
I like to use a pole or straight stick; even a machete will work in a pinch: Hold it in the middle and point one end at the first point; look down the other end to see where line is; adjust accordingly.
Dougie
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we used to wiggle in a lot, it saved a ton of calcs on the Curta. Cousin Dick used his plumb bob string to get close, he was amazingly accurate.
my spouse has zip spatial sense, but she can draw a very useful map of directions... her brain works different.
I kind of learned it as "wiggling in" was getting on line between two points, and bucking in was getting on line with two points that you could see in the same direction (from beyond the line segment)
I worked with a guy that thought he could get close to on line holding up a range pole and looking one direction down the pole (or plumb-bob string) and flipping his head the other way and sighting the other direction and work his way close.?ÿ Trouble is that when he turned his head you could see his harm move toward the "forsight" mark.?ÿ I learned from that to concentrate on holding my arms perfectly still.?ÿ It's just a natural reaction to move your arms I think.
I resemble that remark.
I may be slow ...?ÿ but damn I'm goooood. ? ?ÿ
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Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.
Couldn't you have placed some wood stakes on the line in front of and in back of the tree(s) for her?
That what I would of done.?ÿ ?ÿJust put POL in so they see how far the trees are online.?ÿ ?ÿBut it could also be a PITA between neighbors.
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You know, I think you're right.
We didn't really like Bucking-in; if there was error in the 2 points, (which we know there always is) it was magnified, depending on how far apart the 2 points are and how far away you are from the 2 points...
Wiggling was always the preferred method.
I was doing simple property line stake yesterday on a small lot in a nearby town. It was about 150' x 250' and wooded on two of the sides. When I got done I brought the owner lady?ÿ over to show her the stakes and the line. Well because there was a couple of huge trees online she could not see the stakes so she moved offline and said the stakes don't line up. So I had to physically move her over to stand "online" and she said "but I can't see the stakes". It took me about 10 minutes to get her to understand that because the trees were online and blocking the line of sight she would not be able to see directly down the line. She wanted me to move the stakes so she could see the line without the trees blocking her.
I considered for a fraction of a second about putting some offset stakes and then thought to myself, "Nope, not gonna do it, that will become a giant cluster f$%k if I do that and I will get accused of doing something wrong."?ÿ
Edit: Sometimes I'm a bit dense, especially on techy stuff, but this was almost surreal and I was almost in disbelief that someone, anyone, could not grasp what the problem was.
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Had the same issue a few years ago with a line that went through a trailer. No matter what i said they thought the line had a bend in it. So i took them to each stake and offset each stake 10 feet with a tape measure and when we got to the end they all lined up. I pulled the offset stakes on the way back.