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Iƒ??m new to surveying and I donƒ??t have a license . I am located in rural Kentucky and I had a friend ask me into look into this and Iƒ??ve studied it for weeks and just canƒ??t quite understand the terminology but Iƒ??m not as experienced nor as old to maybe have seen or heard these terms used. Iƒ??ve figured out most of the property line but where it ends. It goes like this, at the ridge with John Henry line running down hill with said line to jones Branch; thence up jones Branch to a planted stone on left side of the Branch (I could not find a planted stone); thence a straight line across bottom and Branch with the lines of John Henry to a maple at pailing fence and bill smith line; thence with said line to Tom Johnson line; thence with said line to end of cliff; thence on off to jones Branch; thence running down the center to same beginning. ?ÿJohn Henry owns the purple tracts and my friend and John Henry is trying to find the property line. The blue x has a maple at a old fence on the line of the purple John Henry and white bill smith line is also a old wooden fence and the Tom Johnson line is somewhere right of the white line, possibly the edge of the creek in between the white line and the green which is the road. Green arrow pointing up is going up the road. The black arrow is going down the hill and the red is the cliff which is on the left side of jones Branch. I couldnƒ??t figure out when it meant end of cliff meaning end of cliff meaning looking at the road or end of cliff going up the road way (green arrow) almost to the maple. Any understanding of this??ÿ


 
Posted : July 22, 2021 4:00 am
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Thank you for reminding me of my good fortune that my great-great grandparents moved out of Kentucky in the 1830 time frame.?ÿ I am not well suited for the old metes and bounds descriptions.


 
Posted : July 22, 2021 11:57 am
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The best help you can give your friend is telling him that he needs to hire a registered land surveyor.

The current deed of record is the starting point of many hours of research and interviews needed to solve the puzzle.


 
Posted : July 22, 2021 12:12 pm
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@holy-cow?ÿ

Hallelujah!!!!


 
Posted : July 22, 2021 12:29 pm
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Those are essentially a trip back in time.

Lots of work.?ÿ

Have fun!

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In all seriousness, NCEES and the NSPS should take this in for a test question.

????


 
Posted : July 22, 2021 12:38 pm
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I would research the history of that description back in time, possibly to the original deed. You might find that there were a lot of typos and dropped words in copying it from one deed to the next. Entire phrases could even have been dropped. I would also be comparing that description with the adjacent properties' descriptions, looking for commonalities, as well as conflicts. Old boundary lines are sometimes more visible in older aerial photographs, due being better maintained as recognized boundaries "way back then". This is definitely not a "read the deed, and all will be clear" situation.


 
Posted : July 22, 2021 1:33 pm
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The first thing I do when I get an unplottable deed like this is to start looking at the adjoining deeds. Often times they will have some bearings and distances that will make your deed a little easier to figure out.


 
Posted : July 22, 2021 4:54 pm
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long story short; you've got your work cut out for you...


 
Posted : July 22, 2021 5:29 pm
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My favorite deeds have no bearings and distances.


 
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@thebionicman?ÿ


 
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Posted by: @jitterboogie

In all seriousness, NCEES and the NSPS should take this in for a test question.

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I'd love to see the answer sheet if NCEES took this on as an exam problem, I see this as a great opportunity for a boundary line agreement, but that is based on my knowledge of California Law, in Kentucky we might be able to throw lawn darts and call it good. (wasn't knocking Kentucky with the lawn dart comment, direct slam on my knowledge of Kentucky law).


 
Posted : July 22, 2021 7:25 pm
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Well, the first thing to do is try to trace that description back and see if you find some other wording thatƒ??s been lost or changed through the years. Iƒ??m betting you get back to some hand written pages in the deed book. ?ÿThen you are going to have to try to do the same thing with Tom Johnsons and John Henryƒ??s and Bill Smithƒ??s deeds. ?ÿHopefully somewhere back there youƒ??ll ?ÿfind a clue that helps. Not an unusual description in Ky. deeds.?ÿ


 
Posted : July 22, 2021 8:01 pm
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It would be interesting to see images off this and surrounding deed descriptions posted. Iƒ??m sure the people that wrote them are long gone but any chance of some old timer in the area might have some memories from their youth that might help??ÿ


Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.

 
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@jitterboogie You're being too serious


 
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@true-corner?ÿ

Ok.

I'll tone it down a little bit...

Happy clouds and birds.....


GIF

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@thebionicman?ÿ

My favorite is when it's raining, and your standing in a swamp, holding a machete, and you're looking for corner that no one else has seen in 100 years...

You know, like if you were Indiana Jones


 
Posted : July 23, 2021 9:07 am
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@dougie?ÿ

Tim the Toolman Taylor has the perfect grunt

to go with your comment


 
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@holy-cow?ÿ


 
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