I beg to differ
I paid a visit to NC a few months back and ended up on a new road that is a toll road, but I didn't see any signs telling me that. And, of course, in keeping with the times they do not have toll booths. If you have EX Pass (or whatever) it all works automatically. If not, they photo your license plate and send you a bill. So ....
A month or so later I get a bill in the mail for $2.92. So they took the time and expense to have the systems in place to generate a bill, print it, mail it, etc. All to force me to write a check for $2.92 and mail it so that they could receive it, open it, process & deposit the check, credit the payment to my license plate, etc.
Can you say STUPID!!
Control Mark in Freeway ROW>Once upon a time
I applied to the MA DOT for a permit to work in the state highway layout and was denied be we, as land surveyors, have access as a matter of right.
I have never been approached by anyone while working in the state highway layout. As a matter of fact the local calibrated baseline runs down the median in Yarmouth.
Dtp
That's unreal. It would never cross my mind that a permit might be necessary to use a monument inside a right of way. It's public property, for crying out loud.
Being Difficult is fun sometimes.
I would send them a check for $3.00 so they would have to credit my account and possibly mail me a refund check.
The agency that I work for requires me to get a credit card from their program to pay my travel expenses with. I am sure that they get a small kick back for all the business. I have a pocket full of credit cards that all give me something for using them. Since I will be reimbursed with 3 days of filing my travel papers that is my preference. I had to use my agency travel card to purchase a plane ticket once. The plane ticket was $499.90. When I got back from my trip, I filed my travel papers and instructed the money people to send $500 to the credit card company. the next month, I got a statement from the credit card company that I had a $0.10 credit on my account. If you have a $0 balance, they don't send you a statement. I did not use that card for several months so I got several statements with a $0.10 credit on them. Then I got a statement one month that showed my balance was $0. They decided that they didn't owe me that $0.10. Well, I picked up the phone and dialed the 800 number on the back of the card and had a little chat with the nice lady that answered the phone supervisor. They mailed me a check with a letter of apology for $0.10. After 60 days they sent me another letter asking me to cash their check as it was messing up their book keeping. On day 89, I happened to go to the bank and deposit some other small checks and included that one. They spent about $4.00 in postage for that transaction.
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"...belongs to the State Government and is not to be trespassed on by the people"
Back in the day the Government WAS the People! I was once informed by a uniformed State officer that I could not enter State Trust Land. I told him I was a member of the group that the Trust was established for and that I was entering it under my own authority. He looked confused and drove away.
Then why is it called a "freeway";-)
Same in Atlanta area, never heard of such. Either been doing alot of trespassing or no permit needed. Railroad ROW, different story....
I guess it's free as long as you're on your way, but costs money to stop? :-S
Park near the monument and let the air out of one tire. Put tinfoil on your head and then setup you base. If anyone drives up. Start twitching and tell them that thing on the four legged tripod is keeping the aliens away until you can get back in your truck. It would work better if you had a VW bus or a Ford Pinto full of dirty clothes and food wrappers.
James
For me it's more about tying into existing control along the DOT right of ways, since most of it was done years ago, CORS isn't much help. And so many right of way plats were filed based on the control that it's the best way to get on the system.
Also, since most of it was leveled the elevations are really good and referenced to NAVD88, unlike CORS which is not too great.
Kansas has required permits for several years now when working on any State ROW. This includes KDOT projects. Correct signage is required and they do inspect. The state patrol is aware of the permitting and will enforce compliance. Permitting is handled by individual districts and can be a PITA.
Happily, this has not been a concern of mine since November, 2011.
Simple
1. Park on the paved shoulder.
2. Remove the core from one tire.
3. Pull out the flat spare, GPS unit etc.
4. You have to set the unit down somewhere, so why not on the monument?
5. Have your helper to walk ahead for help.
6. The helper pulls the remote inflater from out of the spot where you left it.
7. The helper walks back to the truck.
8. Replace the valve core and attempt to use the almost empty can of flat fix.
9. Inflate the tire
10. Repack all the items and breakdown the GPS.
11. Continue your survey.
Disclaimer: This trick would never work in Metro Atlanta between the Intelligent Traffic Systems surveillance cameras and the Hero Units.
Which agency put the monument where no one but the DOT has access?
Ahh, the voice of experience speaks again.
BTW - Arizona requires a permit but there is no fee.
> (c) When required for a property survey, monuments within a freeway right-of-way shall be referenced to usable points outside the access control line by the agency having jurisdiction over the freeway when requested in writing by the registered civil engineer or licensed land surveyor who is to perform the property survey. The work shall be done within a reasonable time period by the agency in direct cooperation with the engineer or surveyor and at no charge to him or her.
Caltrans does attempt to abide by this.
LOL, one way to guarantee that no one follows the rule is to make it impossible to follow.
What is the punishment for breaking the rule?
Distract the attention away from the monument.
Drive a Pickup truck hauling trailer and stop along on the southbound lanes about a hundred yards from the control point.
Get out and be very visible and attention catching and adjust the tarps and check all the tires and lift the hood and check some fluids for whatever time it takes for your one guy to hop the fence and locate it with a TS from the end of that road.
Actually, if the job order requires you to locate things in reference to what that monument is control for, your job order should be representative evidence for you to legally occupy the monument without jumping thru hoops.
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I had to get an encroachment permit for entry onto I-5 R/W in District 1. I think I paid a fee of something like $180 and it was good for a year. They did not require traffic control, but they required proper signage (SURVEY PARTY), PPE and a technical schematic of what I was setting along the R/W. But I'm in the sticks compared to you, Jim. This was also a couple of years ago.
Did you try talking surveyor to surveyor to one of the Cal Trans surveyors? Maybe they have a static survey on the mark they would be willing to share or who knows, maybe they would put one of their own out there and share the static file. That is a ludicrous cost but everything out there is from what I gather.
then you can get the T-shirt.
