Not only is it not necessary and pisses of the world.?ÿ It is a waste of revenue.?ÿ Paint is not cheap and neither is the time it takes an employee to do all that marking.?ÿ I mean who can not remember that they shot the PC, MP and PT of a 5'R return.
It all boils down to pride in your work, being competent to perform the task at hand, and training (or paying a fine for destruction of property).?ÿ
I had a junior party that I inherited from our previous Survey Department Head.?ÿ If something hindered him getting a shot, he cut it down regardless of what it was.?ÿ I sent him out to complete a topo on a school that had several interior courtyards, one of which was used as a nursery.?ÿ This Jr. Party Chief went all out ninja on a prize winning banana plant that cost the company $300.?ÿ He was also one to paint every shot with orange paint.?ÿ If memory serves me correctly, the school district lost a few other plants because of the paint which brought the total to just under $600.?ÿ The executive management passed that expense on to this young man.
It all boils down to pride in your work, being competent to perform the task at hand, and training (or paying a fine for destruction of property).?ÿ
I had a junior party that I inherited from our previous Survey Department Head.?ÿ If something hindered him getting a shot, he cut it down regardless of what it was.?ÿ I sent him out to complete a topo on a school that had several interior courtyards, one of which was used as a nursery.?ÿ This Jr. Party Chief went all out ninja on a prize winning banana plant that cost the company $300.?ÿ He was also one to paint every shot with orange paint.?ÿ If memory serves me correctly, the school district lost a few other plants because of the paint which brought the total to just under $600.?ÿ The executive management passed that expense on to this young man.
Who TF cuts down plants in a courtyard?!?! Especially a school?!? Even if you're not a surveyor.
Just another reminder that common sense isn't common...
@jph One of my first surveys, working for a LS, was a 28 acre topo where he wanted me to tie flag at every shot so he would know where to continue after a day or where to go next.?ÿ I tried to find out if there was any other reason, like 'the client wants it', a realtor wants evidence of a job done or something, and I couldn't get anything from him outside of wanting to make sure he (I) covered everything.?ÿ I tried explaining the screen to him and how cool it is to have some CAD in there as well so you can know when you're following a boundary, setback or check into a corner.?ÿ He just wanted flags on the ground.?ÿ I figured that was going to be 3500-4000 shots with 20-30 seconds added to each one = 22+ hours and the days were hacking through 8' high elephant grass, steep slopes, winding around cattle trails to 'get the shot', steep drop offs hidden by tall grass and banana patches along with the daily 2:30 torrential downpour.?ÿ I know I should have obeyed, but wasn't getting paid much and thought that without a good reason to do it he'll see what I covered when he brings the points in.?ÿ Turned a 7 day job into three.?ÿ He billed for the 7 and paid for the (cheap) three so I'm sure he liked that but it was a few more of those misled jobs before I just stopped working for him.?ÿ If I'm gonna take a walmart wage in trade for the ways of the Jedi, I better not be working for Jabba the Hut.
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Pre-fancy screens (the old husky would "display" the points, but...) we would tie flagging, it definitely helped in the woods, when you would run lines a few hundred feet long and then come back 50' off. You could use your compass, but sometimes in the PNW rainforest there are no straight lines, and all the trees look the same.?ÿ
My very first week, my first topo my (new) party chief handed me a roll of white tape and a rod and told me that the PLS had told him to get a shot at every 1' change in elevation. I got about 1000 square feet done by lunch and it looked like I had TP'ed the place. We agreed that was silly and changed our approach.
BTW, the PC had me on the gun that first day. First of all, he hated standing behind the gun, second if there was some low risk place to learn about running an instrument, a deep woods topo was that place. I followed that example with every second I trained.
Yay the polka dot crew
a coworker uses sidewalk chalk from the toy section?ÿ
I use the controller screen?ÿ
he wanted me to tie flag at every shot so he would know where to continue after a day or where to go next.
We typically would tie a flag at a the ends of rows of shots for that setup.?ÿ Not every row, but a few, so it'd be easy to tell where you left off when you're at the next setup, and especially if it was the next day or even a different rod man. ?ÿ Far cry from doing every damn shot
Like dogs peeing on every bush to mark their territory. Ridiculous
I am also against the "overmarking" of control points.?ÿ?ÿ
I never would have found this one if they hadn't put that wood stake there...
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This one instead of repainting the same thing,
the distance from the road in small letters would have helped...
If I'm gonna take a walmart wage in trade for the ways of the Jedi, I better not be working for Jabba the Hut.
Speak well he does.
The only benefit of re-using turning points I see is to localize a blunder if one occurs. I don't see that re-using them has any effect if you don't tell the software that they are the same point. And even if you do give them the same point number, why is that bad?
I would run the levels through the same turning points. It does allow you to see where you made your blunder. I cannot see any reason not to do so. The error is typically reading the rod incorrectly, and your setup won't be the same coming back.?ÿ
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That said, the best method I found for transferring vertical with high accuracy was to use SurvCE and use the total station in the leveling routine. It is easy, balances things for you, gives you a report, you don't write down the wrong number, or observe the wrong number.
I had a designer come into the office one day screaming at me because her pretty new project had paint marks all over it. I was working under the Traffic Engineer at the time and the only part I was involved with was making some measurements and creating the sign placement form and diagram. The culprits were the utility marking entity that I never called, rather the maintenance and operations staff called them, but I was to blame because I determined the sign location FROM HER PLANS, I was just easier to yell at I guess.?ÿ
Paint was valid for mapping before map screen on collectors.
I was just easier to yell at I guess.?ÿ
I resemble that remark...
Here we have my son running our Javad LS. Getting a shot on a PK nail in CL.
I tried to put a discrete 4? round paint dot on it. Paint nozzle clogged. It was nearly empty anyway. I took my knife, and made a tiny hole in the can, near the bottom. As she began to spew, I turned it over, to make my discrete dot.
Well, that??s how it happened!
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Was doing a topo for a building expansion on major pharmaceutical company's corporate campus.?ÿ Our utility designating crew that went in ahead of the surveyors flagged the utilities in the grass areas and painted in the roadways/parking areas. Unfortunate they continued to use paint on the hardscape. In a courtyard/break area under the CEO's office window. With a nice pattern of the corporate logo in colored pavers.?ÿ Permeable pavers.?ÿ ?ÿ
Worked at that firm for five years and the principal who oversaw the survey and SUE operations was in incredible professional, mild mannered gentleman.?ÿ This was the only time I heard yelling from his office the entire time I worked there.?ÿ?ÿ
I was sent to mark the center striping transitions for passing on a freshly paved road, I tried to make them just visible, but the new pavement was absorbing it as fast as I was spraying it and I just kept spraying to make sure the paint truck guys could see it, by the time I was done they were visible from the ISS.
I don't know why someone would even do this.?ÿ My best guess is the paint guy didn't have anything to do and sitting in the truck wasn't an option...
I do like the patina on your rod. You aren't going to allow that young guy to find himself surveying for a "living" are you?
I think there is a happy median on all this paint chalk flagging talk. ?ÿYes before map screens and having multiple crews on a site at different times and using code work like field to finish paint could help out a lot on where the particular line ended what string it is or point number so the next crew would know how to continue that line. But every shot is unnecessary and also knowing where you are makes a difference. ?ÿI used marking keel. ?ÿPaint flagging concrete chalk. Kicking out with my foot pin flags and marker to help the next crew out Paint marker at the company now to get the inverts and pipe locations so when I begin topo i shoot the man hole and then add the inv to rod height and connect the pipes in field. ?ÿPainting everything is not professional. I did a tree survey on a lot few hundred trees in 2 acres or less that were 6? or above. I painted a small dot on at ground level on every tree because we had two crews and many setups working towards each other. ?ÿWe were going to use flagging but a adjoiner didn??t like to see that lol. She was an elderly lady nice but we didn??t want to rock the boat. So a little doy on leaves made it easy for us as sometimes we were right beside each other helped. I would hollar and say hey turn here shoot me I can??t see this from my location but i can see your instrument. Lol. I think it all depends on where you are how many different people will be working on the site ?ÿand time frame of when you would be completed or coming back would determine how you kept up with a topo. ?ÿBut making a graffiti art project out of a site is a no go for sure. I do miss the pig pinning of control points when I arrive on a site. So much easier to see where all the control is on a site someone else set up. Lol. ?ÿ
I bought a used Rover pole off eBay. The tip had a 1/4 inch coat of pink paint on the tip.
