Other surveyors...

Must be from one of THOSE STATES that encourage such desecration.

I have caught that happening too.

If the choice is between pulling the iron and switching caps I'll take a new cap every time. That's child's play compared to some things I see.

Steve

[USER=6718]@sjc1989[/USER]

What point of law would bring about a choice to put your cap on a found rod or pipe, etc?

report them to the Board.

Tacked a plastic cap ontop of an existing plastic cap? Maybe the old plastic cap wasn't legible anymore;)

I am with MightyMoe, maybe that is why they did it. However, still not a reason to do so. If you find it and it checks, hold it and go on.

I saw a rebar with cap driven inside of a 2 inch diameter pipe last week. All of the deeds that I read called for the pipe, yet this surveyor drove a rebar pin with cap inside of it. That makes no sense to me either. At least it wasn't a pin cushion.

Ben Davidson, post: 454175, member: 12196 wrote: I am with MightyMoe, maybe that is why they did it. However, still not a reason to do so. If you find it and it checks, hold it and go on.

I saw a rebar with cap driven inside of a 2 inch diameter pipe last week. All of the deeds that I read called for the pipe, yet this surveyor drove a rebar pin with cap inside of it. That makes no sense to me either. At least it wasn't a pin cushion.

That was to tighten it's position for those millimeter surveyors out there that think their black box is giving them a more precise answer. Tongue in cheek firmly.

Ben Davidson, post: 454175, member: 12196 wrote: I am with MightyMoe, maybe that is why they did it. However, still not a reason to do so. If you find it and it checks, hold it and go on.

I saw a rebar with cap driven inside of a 2 inch diameter pipe last week. All of the deeds that I read called for the pipe, yet this surveyor drove a rebar pin with cap inside of it. That makes no sense to me either. At least it wasn't a pin cushion.

There are places that require that all monuments be stenciled with the acceptors #. I suppose that is one way of doing it. Sure is a new one.

A Harris, post: 454167, member: 81 wrote: [USER=6718]@sjc1989[/USER]

What point of law would bring about a choice to put your cap on a found rod or pipe, etc?

No idea. I am all ears if you have one. Steve

Ben Davidson, post: 454175, member: 12196 wrote: I am with MightyMoe, maybe that is why they did it. However, still not a reason to do so. If you find it and it checks, hold it and go on.

I saw a rebar with cap driven inside of a 2 inch diameter pipe last week. All of the deeds that I read called for the pipe, yet this surveyor drove a rebar pin with cap inside of it. That makes no sense to me either. At least it wasn't a pin cushion.

I did something similar once but that was because the pipe had just about rusted away to nothing and I wanted to perpetuate the monument.

Chain-of-title?

Alpha dog just has to lift its leg on everything.

Daniel Ralph, post: 454196, member: 8817 wrote: Alpha dog just has to lift its leg on everything.

Bingo. This is no different than these idiots that think they need to flag/paint everything they see, no matter how much old flagging/paint is on it already.

Daniel Ralph, post: 454196, member: 8817 wrote: Alpha dog just has to lift its leg on everything.

Probably right, but you would think they would want to use something more substantial than a plastic cap to mark their territory.

There are numerous triggers requiring 'upgrades' to existing monuments. In some cases it makes sense to add a cap to unmarked monuments. It makes for easy id, and in recording States you tell the story for all to see. I cannot think of a scenario where one would place his or her cap over another.

I personally have always held existing pins and monuments as something maybe close to "sacred"..for lack of a better word. Even if they've evidently been set by a surveyor who's work I might think a little 'loose', I try to disturb their "in-situ" integrity as little as possible.

I think this was due to an old mentor of mine. Jim was an old and unlicensed party chief that had probably forgotten more about surveying than I will ever know. Around that time ('69 and '70) all "surveyors" in Oklahoma became licensed by merely applying with letters of recommendation. Jim didn't see much need. I remember him saying "a piece of paper won't make me a better surveyor or get me a raise". But he was a sharp investigator when it came to putting the 'past' together by digging holes and smelling the dirt.

As a youngster I would swing the dip-needle around until it, well, dipped. Then I would dig a hole about 4" deep and if I didn't find anything it was time to move on. Jim explained it like this, "If we find one, that is one less we have to set". It was not uncommon in those days to find "four corners", chain between them and then cross chain to maybe check; or chain down the road to a quarter corner as a check. If we could get by without setting up a gun, we did. So Jim felt that digging up everything was the thing to do. I he walked away and said there is nothing there; you could rest assured there wasn't.

I know things have changed dramatically since then. But a "found" pin has its own right and should be honored. Pounding a new cap on seems like a desecration to me.

Somebody here (I'm sorry I can't remember whom) use to have a signature that read something like, "You don't have to be a good surveyor if you can find all the pins". I agree wholeheartedly. 😉

[USER=20]@paden cash[/USER]
That would be Kris Morgan's motto

Many times I've found monuments that were rusted or broken and not stable or soon to be too diminished to be useful.
Then I would replace them with a similar or same type of material if possible and make record of that in my new description.

maybe he charges extra for having to set HIS corners! :p