What Does a Note like This, Mean to You?

My interpretation is, the monuments found were not honored.

I've seen that sort of note quite a bit around here since moving to WA and would also like some answers. To me that note indicates #2.

If a monument is accepted, there shouldn't be a discrepancy between where it is shown and where it lies.

Without an explanation of why what appears to be a legitimate monument was rejected, there's not much to infer other than inexperience and/or incompetence on the part of the surveyor.

I agree with Kevin but a detail clarifying what they are saying would be nice.

The expert measurers should quit rejecting monuments that don't agree with their "super calcs", even though the monuments have a history and were set within the allowable tolerances of the day.?ÿ Our standards tell us to list excess/deficiency on the lines measured, a record bearing/distance vs. a measured bearing/distance.?ÿ I wish more mentors pounded that into the upstarts heads.?ÿ That said, I do know of a few old hands that will still try to correct deficiencies in an original GLO survey.?ÿ

Very consistent distance and direction for both. Looks like a case of not best fitting calculated data to the measured monuments via rotation/translation/scale. I agree, the way I read it the calculated positions are his "boundary" location and the monuments are accessories to "his" calculated, invisible corners.?ÿ

Thank you for posting this. Assuming there isnt a note that explains this somewhere else on the plat, surveys like this infuriate me.

Sometimes its worse than Classic "I know exactly what I mean, so everybody else will too." I have questioned surveyors who have done exactly this and their response was, it's not my job to decide where the corner is.?ÿ

The text seems clear to me (and I think, different from some other posters) because of the phrase "From calculated position".

I read the plat to give the observed position (distance and direction) of the monuments in question.
The lines of the plat go directly to the monuments with no offsets drawn.

If I was a better measurer than the previous fellow and believed my calculated point more than the found monument, the lines would go to my calculated point and show the monument offset by some amount.

The lines on the plat are very clear and I think they leave no doubt.

On the other hand. If the fellow has a questionable reputation and doesn't understand how to draw a plat, who knows what it means. I think, lacking evidence to the contrary, we must assume he was competent.

JAC

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A little ambiguous, but they tell you where the monument is and you can do as you want. I would take it as an alternative notation similar to Record/Measured.

At least they didn't say "xxx from the true position" and say they pincushions it.

"I found this here monument. It's located a little bit different than my calculated position... seeing as I don't want to change the record bearing and distance of that there line, I'm leaving this note. When you come up that line 1315.36 feet there'll be a monument pretty close by."

could be 1 or 2.

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Posted by: @aliquot

it's not my job to decide where the corner is.?ÿ

WHAT!?!

Then who's job is it?!

If not the surveyor, then who?

I can see; someone else can come along and disagree with my corner. But if you're going to reject a corner, you better have a damn good reason; and math should be the last resort.

@jacavell?ÿ

But if the surveyor is holding the monuments, then why bother making the statement that they differ from his "super calculated" position is? Other than to prompt discussions on some Surveying Forum Website, that is.

It means that you are going to have to go out and tie it yourself to find out.

Both fd. monument notes are kinda dumb.?ÿ First, dating to the day that the monument was discovered is not salient; the date you signed the survey for recordation holds.?ÿ Second, the "calculated position" info is sweet but I care not about it, either declare "found and held per xxx" or "found, not of record" and ignore it or pincushion (God forbid) the correct position based on better evidence.?ÿ Third, the SE 1/6th, a substantial monument with an apparent pedigree has no cite; odd, should be shown on a ROS or subdivision map, etc., at the Courthouse if Loidhamer LS#1865 did his job in 1979.

To me it just looks like sloppy work by a surveyor who calcs out a survey, ignores ground evidence and courthouse research and just reports his measurements.?ÿ A pox on them.?ÿ Although only 0.5' from record will usually not raise hackles from the landowners he's not doing his client a favor by kicking the can down the road.

Weasel words. If you haven't determined where the corner is that map isn't finished yet.

It says, "I paid $12,000 for this darn magic box and I do better than them ol' pharts with their stupid steel tapes and brass transits and I can prove it by going out again and getting my calculated position within three millimeters every time!?ÿ And who said a monument that's well within the 1:10,000 criteria of the day it was set is supposed to be any good??ÿ Us new surveyors with our high tech gadgets are gonna show you ol' guys how to calculate and survey!"

It's a darn good thing his calculations weren't any closer to the monument or he might have filed off the info on it so he could set his new dimple.

In Idaho we had 100 years of surveying between GLO and our recording law. Impeach the monument or hold it. That doesn't require a calculator.

We are split as a profession about this. When I ask the surveyor if they want the public to know that they "accept" the monument but want their protracted position to be known, I am told 'no, idiot, I'm not "accepting" the monument. The reason this confuses me is because there is no law in Colorado that requires this. Technically this is illegal in Colorado because surveyors have NO JURISDICTION TO UNILATERALLY?ÿ CHANGE AN ESTABLISHED BOUNDARY!!!!

I was taught that NONE of our measurements are perfect, and we EXPECT differing results today than in 1979, and we are licensed precisely BECAUSE we are not baffled by measurement science!!!!!

See relevant post in thread about "Today's center corner find".

My question is: why does it matter what YOUR theoretical, calculated position is??ÿ