I have a Mag Nail marking a section corner in a road. And I have a Certified Corner Record filed in 2011 by the surveyor who set the nail. He set his nail from references from an earlier CCR. I also have his references, and our measurements agree. What could be sweeter?
I also have another nail just 0.40' to the NE, apparently newer than the first because it isn't mentioned in the 2011 CCR. There is no CCR that refernces this second nail.
SO, my question. Do I pull this second nail? I will be filing a CCR either way, and I would show it as having existed and my having pulled it.
Why not set several more nails exactly 0.40' from the correct nail in a perfect circle?
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two questions, sir...
Number one: It's not one of MY filed references, is it? 😉
Number two: Is the corner within a mile of one of our great State Highways?
Actually neither question would have a bearing on my actions. Probably regrettably I would leave it.
My only reasoning would be that there CAN be a lag between boots on the ground and a CCR showing up at the DOL. There is always an outside chance the newer nail represents something of yet-to-be-revealed substance. You and I both know that's a very slim chance from all the jake-leg bs that folks in Oklahoma slam in the intersections.
My gut reaction is probably like yours, yank it. But I hate to do that. It goes against all that I hold as right. And if some dickhead felt compelled to set a nail because his prism constant wasn't set right; I don't want to compromise my values over the actions of one of several idiots that are armed with a box of magnails.
It's probably better to show it on your CCR as a bastard outlier so the rest of us will be aware of it.
Now if someone on one of my crews accidently pulled it and I had absolutely no knowledge of it...that would be a different story.
I've gotta watch those guys..:snarky:
I wouldn't pull somebody else s point. Maybe it is there for some other reason, just document it and forget it.
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It's an easy answer here. Rehabilitate the monument to meet code. Not sure in OK...
I never pull a monument of unknown lorigin and I would never pull another monument of record without first getting written authorization from the surveyor of record(only had to do that twice...and quite recently)
> I have a Mag Nail marking a section corner in a road. And I have a Certified Corner Record filed in 2011 by the surveyor who set the nail. He set his nail from references from an earlier CCR. I also have his references, and our measurements agree. What could be sweeter?
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> I also have another nail just 0.40' to the NE, apparently newer than the first because it isn't mentioned in the 2011 CCR. There is no CCR that refernces this second nail.
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> SO, my question. Do I pull this second nail? I will be filing a CCR either way, and I would show it as having existed and my having pulled it.
I would be an ass and switch the nails. The weathered nail for the fresh nail and vice versa.
[sarcasm]Leave it... it might be a backsight![/sarcasm]
Seriously, if it is documented... I would leave it.
I can't get passed a mag nail for a section monument. Wouldn't fly here, but either way, one corner-one monument.
> ... Rehabilitate the monument to meet code. Not sure in OK...
The Mag Nail already there answers both the MSOP and common practice in Oklahoma. If it was concrete, there would be a chiseled X.
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NOT to pull...
two questions, sir...
> Number one: It's not one of MY filed references, is it? 😉
No, it's not your CCR. Furthermore, I should stress that there is nothing wrong with the CCR that is filed, nevertheless. I won't name names, but it is a name I commonly see, and his records are usually good. Perhaps the 2nd nail is yours? 😉
> Number two: Is the corner within a mile of one of our great State Highways?
Yes, it is. Hwy 270 in Seminole County.
> I never pull a monument of unknown lorigin and I would never pull another monument of record without first getting written authorization from the surveyor of record(only had to do that twice...and quite recently)
There is no surveyor of record on the 2nd nail, but we can be certain that it is less than 3 years old. If somebody filed a CCR on the 2nd nail I would respect that.
> Seriously, if it is documented... I would leave it.
The 1st nail is documented, the 2nd nail is not. It's the 2nd nail that I'm thinking of pulling.
> I can't get passed a mag nail for a section monument. Wouldn't fly here, but either way, one corner-one monument.
I'm still adjusting to that, too. Thanks for the support, but it seems it's just the two of us who would pull it.
I agree a MAG for a section corner is just, well....I would be tempted to pull the good MAG bust out the hammer drill and drive a 5/8 bar and cap it with some aluminum and file an updated CCR showing the call to the other MAG.
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No question, Vern has it right.
> I agree a MAG for a section corner is just, well...
Probably a solid 50% of the PLSS monuments that fall in paved roads in OK are nails or chiseled x's. Another 40% are 3/8" or 1/2" rods. There is a lot of work to be done, and no money, or desire, to do it.