Some of y'all are blowing this way out of proportion. Let me lay a few things out for you.
1. There are no original corners.
2. There are no corner cards, recorded surveys, or anything else perpetuating GLO corners and lines, other than a few references to the corners in the deeds. Tennesseans didn't take to sections, so this stuff is all metes and bounds now.
3. The line that is being blacked out was only originally painted 20 years ago. The corners on this line were originally set 20 years ago. There is no paper trail whatsoever that shows those corners were surveyed to be on the meridian.
4. There is absolutely no law in this state regarding GLO lines and corners. So no, I'm not going to the hooskal.
5. My client is the State of Tennessee. Never again will this land be in private ownership, so the blacked out line once again being relevant is a moot point.
6. My original comments were to the fact that this line is a part of history, and I am responsible for removing part of it. There is nothing illegal, immoral or unethical about it. If I didn't do it, someone else would.
Cameron Watson PLS, post: 361735, member: 11407 wrote: I'm confused too but full disclosure, I've never surveyed outside of the PLSS rectangular system...
How does painting over or removing PAINT marks = obliterating evidence? Unless the state we're talking about has a dedicated staff tasked with perpetuating the paint God will take care of the obliteration in pretty short order.
There had to have been physical evidence for someone to base the paint marks on in the first place and Tommy hasn't said anything to the effect that was being removed...
I have to be missing something here???
We follow old blazed and painted lines all the times as proof of the property lines or in some cases it's just what a previous surveyor said was the line.
As in paint that comes out of an aerosol can? Dang, I feel like I am rolling in a Cadillac right now LOL!!!
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Cameron Watson PLS, post: 361739, member: 11407 wrote: As in paint that comes out of an aerosol can? Dang, I feel like I am rolling in a Cadillac right now LOL!!!
Most of the time it is marking paint like one would use to paint lines on foot ball fields and such, but back when the line mentioned in this post was painted there's a chance some poor soul was carrying a bucket and brush.
I'm sure the LS painted their number into the line every hundred feet or so too. We live in way different worlds brother!
Cameron Watson PLS, post: 361743, member: 11407 wrote: I'm sure the LS painted their number into the line every hundred feet or so too. We live in way different worlds brother!
1 dot of paint points towards line within arm's reach. 2 dots of paint shows where a line runs through a tree .3 dots point towards a property corner.
Cameron, in most cases here there's a hack in the tree that accompanies the paint. I have used old hack marks that were decades old countless times. The information these marks perpetuate is often a godsend.
Personally, I use 2 hacks facing the line on trees that are off line, a vertical blaze of scraped bark where the line goes through a tree and 3 hacks facing the monument at witness trees. In the hacks I put a length of flagging then paint over the hacks. Also, on the witness hacks I will measure the distance from the monument to the tree and place the bottom of the 3 hacks that distance up the tree (obviously within reason as I will not be climbing a tree to hack it above head high, lol). I don't leave a legend behind at every monument to decode why the hacks are differing heights, but I would like the think that someone coming behind me will scratch their head long enough to have it dawn on them there's a reason for it and figure it out. Hell, who knows someone may speak fondly of me and my practice of doing this over a bourbon long after I'm gone.
Paint is temporary in my book. In fact it bothers me when surveyors come through and put tons of flagging and paint @ a corner, or paint all over the road and/or sidewalk to mark their stuff. I can certainly see why a landowner wouldn't want tons of paint all over his property.
I know this is some kind of important line, but I would monument it with something more permanent and durable than paint, and I wouldn't worry about a client who wants it to be covered up.
I see the paint similar to flagging, yeah its there but its not permanent. Around here usually if a line is painted its also been blazed (hacked). I would have no problem painting over the blazes. The hacks in the trees will still be there until the tree falls over. It'll just be more difficult to find the line, but any surveyor should be able to follow old blazes, even when not painted.
I'm sure the state doesn't want a well marked line going through the the property. It'll confuse the public that is using it when they come across what they assume is a property line.
Tommy Young, post: 361734, member: 703 wrote: That map on the link isn't right. The initial point is in Tennessee.
Has anyone ever found the initial point?
RADAR, post: 361817, member: 413 wrote: Has anyone ever found the initial point?
Not to my knowledge.
The orginal notes call for the corner to be on the southwest bank of the Wolf River. If you strike one line in Google Earth from tree rows several miles east and west, and intersect that with a line on tree rows coming north from out of Mississippi, you get a point north of the river. This land is all bottom land, so I don't doubt that the river has moved in the past 180 or so years. Before this project is over, I'm going to do some investigating.
Tommy Young, post: 361821, member: 703 wrote: Before this project is over, I'm going to do some investigating.
Thanks [USER=703]@Tommy Young[/USER];
even though I'm 2,352 miles away, this kind of stuff perks my interest....
probably some kind of malady.
Tommy Young, post: 361821, member: 703 wrote: Not to my knowledge.
The orginal notes call for the corner to be on the southwest bank of the Wolf River. If you strike one line in Google Earth from tree rows several miles east and west, and intersect that with a line on tree rows coming north from out of Mississippi, you get a point north of the river. This land is all bottom land, so I don't doubt that the river has moved in the past 180 or so years. Before this project is over, I'm going to do some investigating.
Good luck with that. You may have better luck finding a wolf but then again one does not know until a search is performed.
Similar situation occurs in SW MS with the Washington Meridian. That also is common to the St. Helena Meridian in Louisiana which all survey in the Florida parishes are based. Never was found by Albert White. Years back, I came across this website that still exists on the web.
I was in this area once and poked around for a few hours to no avail. Not much found. The baseline was set by Ellicott in 1819. Mounds were set. A few years back, Milton Denny was recovering mounds and he said that the work was going well at the time. Never heard of a follow up.
It was also hard to determine the state line also in places on my poking around. Nothing posted on smaller roads (if tht would help). I was told by a local that one way to establish the state line was by using road crossings that were used during the 1930Ûªs when quarantine inspection stations were established to wash livestock etc when crossing state lines.
Here's a picture of a blazed & painted line (aka spotted line) for you city slickers, and flatlanders. 🙂
That's B E A utiful right there!
Bill68, post: 361859, member: 10680 wrote: Here's a picture of a blazed & painted line (aka spotted line) for you city slickers, and flatlanders. 🙂
Nice paintjob, but not enough coverage around the blazes for the feds. It looks like there is a little terrain there too.
If your client owns the tree, black it out, it's his tree to do as he see's fit. You should carefully monument and document where the line enters and leaves the client's property and place that document in public record.
Well, now that I understand the situation Ill back of my orinial statement, but its still not something I would do.
I know land surveying rates are very low in Tennessee, but I still find it hard to belive they want to pay a land surveyor to do this.
Those are some of the biggest weeds I've ever seen in my life. Y'all need to apply some herbicide long before they get that big.
