The most pin cushions I have ever seen in one place

There must be some states where pincushions aren't considered a bad look.

I am used to seeing what others call virtual pincushions. That's when the surveyor finds a monument, and notes that it doesn't agree withtheir calculated position. They make notes on the map such as, north 0.05' and east 0.10' to the "true" corner. This make it hard for the land owner to understand and plainly looks ridiculous.

I think it results from former Land Court rulings that adjudicated boundary lines, making the courses and distances more important than the positions of survey monuments. They have adjusted their opinion on found monuments being the boundary control. 

Posted by: @not-my-real-name

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This make it hard for the land owner to understand and plainly looks ridiculous.

How many land owners have you met that understand their property survey not considering calls to true corners?

Surveying is easy if you can call everything you don't like a goat stake.

Posted by: @field-dog

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How many land owners have you met that understand their property survey not considering calls to true corners?

The better question is, "How many land owners understand their property survey after I hand them their plat?" It's more useful to dwell on things within ones control. 

Posted by: @olemanriver

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I had old pipes rebars of various sizes all around this property.

I always consider a pipe to be a better indicator of a true property corner because pipes, especially large ones, have not been used by surveyors for many decades. I look at a plat approval date and I ask myself what would they have set in 1952? Some plats back then did not indicate what was set so I assume a large pipe. Surveying is like archeology, right?

Rebar? I didn't see rebar, all I found was those original iron pipes. 

As the great Paul Reid used to say:

We have a few pictures of pin cushions in the office, one has a PK nail within a BLM cap, apparently that cap wasn't close enough to their mathematical position.

Posted by: @richard-germiller

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We have a few pictures of pin cushions in the office, one has a PK nail within a BLM cap, apparently that cap wasn't close enough to their mathematical position.

That's a classic.

Well, I shoulda just beat that blm cap over, to the correct location! 😁 

Posted by: @nate-the-surveyor

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Well, I shoulda just beat that blm cap over, to the correct location! 😁 

Don't give them ideas!!!!

I’ve seen clients drive in rebar or pipe almost to grade within a few tenths of the recognized corner, that usually is a rebar, or pipe. Pins to mark pins, never can understand it. 

Does anyone have this book ?

Here is a good one. Same surveyor. 

@nate-the-surveyor 

Glad to see you’re back on these forums.

Posted by: @not-my-real-name

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I am used to seeing what others call virtual pincushions. That's when the surveyor finds a monument, and notes that it doesn't agree withtheir calculated position. They make notes on the map such as, north 0.05' and east 0.10' to the "true" corner. This make it hard for the land owner to understand and plainly looks ridiculous.

I think it results from former Land Court rulings that adjudicated boundary lines, making the courses and distances more important than the positions of survey monuments. They have adjusted their opinion on found monuments being the boundary control. 

Virtual pin cushions well This one has that as well on one of the plats we have from the research. What’s amazing is they rejected many double monuments found and called them off etc.  

Man if I hit a monument within.05 to .10 ft good grief it’s bang up on. I mean heck the monument diameter it’s so close why one would even think they are that better to even start that nonsense is ridiculous.  Yeah Priority of calls. Natural and artificial called for mons take precedence. Bearing and distance next. Obviously there are exceptions to the rules surveying is sometimes just common sense. But what we do know is that someone typing or writing and or copying by these methods is more susceptible to a blunder typo than that 18” rebar that was set and accepted for in my case 85 years regardless if that surveyor set it wrong originally or not and if it doesn’t match his dimensions the land owners at that time and through time almost always have accepted that so it is what it is. 

Posted by: @field-dog

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Posted by: @olemanriver

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I had old pipes rebars of various sizes all around this property.

I always consider a pipe to be a better indicator of a true property corner because pipes, especially large ones, have not been used by surveyors for many decades. I look at a plat approval date and I ask myself what would they have set in 1952? Some plats back then did not indicate what was set so I assume a large pipe. Surveying is like archeology, right?

In this situation I believe the pipes at this stage are senior based on research and called for yet here I did a survey a couple years ago. Pipes were set less than a year before I did the ad-joiner. Knew the surveyor and he prefers setting pipes so he still does. 

Posted by: @mightymoe

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Rebar? I didn't see rebar, all I found was those original iron pipes. 

As the great Paul Reid used to say:

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For the first time I was majorly tempted for sure. I will say this taught me something very valuable There is almost no way a LS PLS RLS whatever can be in responsible charge unless they can trust their crews.  Our crews spent a lot of time on this job and we literally walked up and saw the other pipes or rods they failed to get and very very small percentage we had to dig they were sticking up like a sore thumb. We spent a lot of time lol for more and other evidence for sure. 

Hired to do a boundary.

Part of it is:

One corner, one monument.

Make it so. 

Figure out all the clutter and clean it up.

You don't work for other surveyors, there is no obligation to protect incorrect surveyors, the obligation is to the client. 

Clearly, they are putting a cloud on your client's title, make them fix it, if not you have to do it, you took the job.