There is no way a Professional surveyor would stake a house like that with out tying back to something to verify the correct lot . When it comes out I bet its the party chiefs fault . We have trained a bunch of button pushers . In the end the Professional will get punished big time.
here is another good one...Stellular Triangulation, exact to the thousandth...
I learned the first time I purchased a home that there is only one way to exactly locate the location of a piece of land. I purchased my home with a VA Diredct loan. I did all of the paperwork my self as the realtor didn't know how. This has been fourty years ago. This method of survaying is called Stellular Triangulation and is exact to the thousanth. When most developers develop property they file a Primary Plat which is not always exact. Many times lot dimensions change due to construction problems such as Perk test. In my 25 years as a Real Estate Associate and Principal Auctioner I have seen the developer leave land that noone really ownes as it is no longer accessable. This can be easilly remedied by accession and requires a simple court procedure in most stated as noone has actually been paying taxes on the property. In this case I would look for liability restitution from the surveyers unless the type of survey was indicated by a specific contract. JUST MY OPENION as I am now retired.
A lot of the posters seem to think that the obvious solution is GPS.
The posters on the Yahoo message boards seem to be more "yahoo-ish" than almost any other comment area on the interwebz. I read the comments sections for personal humor, but most of the time I end up getting enraged by the utter stupidity of 99.9% of the posters.
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> This surveyor will probably lose his company over this, and all his employees and their families will probably be out of work and go without food on their tables.
Hopefully not, professional liability insurance should help out get out of this mess. And as other pointed, maybe the full story paints a different picture. Let's hope so.
Oh my gosh...you mean I have been doing it wrong all these years?
Exactly. Shoot the centerline pavement, anything, just to be sure you are about in the right place.
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> > This surveyor will probably lose his company over this, and all his employees and their families will probably be out of work and go without food on their tables.
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> Hopefully not, professional liability insurance should help out get out of this mess. And as other pointed, maybe the full story paints a different picture. Let's hope so.
Hopefully not for sure. But, in all probability the builder selected the lowest bidder for the survey and the lowest bidder to stake the foundation. I would venture to speculate that the lowest bidder does not have E&O
hey, that's a great band name "Stellular Triangulation"
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> I have staked the wrong lot before. It was a comedy of errors
Thank you paden for coming clean on this. I've done it too. Mine was a stupid mistake in a subdivision where all the lots were 100' square but somebody doing our research copied the street names wrong. Owner pulled in and asked what the hell we were doing -- "What survey? I didn't order any frigging survey." I'm glad it happened. I was a young i-man at the time and it taught me to always ask whether I'm where I think I am. Since then I've pulled into the wrong driveway a few times but never got out and did much.
> Exactly. Shoot the centerline pavement, anything, just to be sure you are about in the right place.
In this case just pacing it off would have done the trick.
I would hate to be these guys . did they follow FL. Minimum standards. I do not think so. The state board will be looking into I am sure.
> There is no way a Professional surveyor would stake a house like that with out tying back to something to verify the correct lot . When it comes out I bet its the party chiefs fault . We have trained a bunch of button pushers . In the end the Professional will get punished big time.
Yes, it's scary to see this and know that it could happen. I could imagine getting a call from the field, the crew saying that our traverse points are gone, and me telling them to setup on the lot corners (that we recently either set or located).
Then instead of occupying and BS'ing the locus lot corners, they mistakenly set on the adjoining lot. And then when I'm running the field data in CAD, the BS distance checks, and everything looks right - but it's really on the wrong lot.
I'd like to think that I would've had them check something else, but don't know, maybe thinking that they'd just been there, and it not even crossing my mind that they wouldn't remember which lot they were on.
This is a wake-up call for those of us who aren't in the field for everything.
While I agree with checking enough to make sure you are where you think you need to be, the first step would be having the correct parcel information. If you are on lot 13 and supposed to be on lot 31 because you transposed the numbers, no amount of measurement checking is going to save you.
Without researching the whole issue, I don't know what actually caused the error though.
I remember the rush survey for the child care center at the intersection of A and B. Not until we got the title report did I realize there were two child care centers at the intersection of A and B: The obvious one is plain sight on the south side, and the less obvious one in the building on the north side.
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> The GPS is most likely correct. When the original pins were placed in the days of old, the instruments used back then had to be properly adjusted for altitude and season to get accurate readings. When the Earth tilts on its axis it effects the results of the readings on old surveying equipment and "north" isn't always true north.
Mine too.
> here is another good one...Stellular Triangulation, exact to the thousandth...
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> I learned the first time I purchased a home that there is only one way to exactly locate the location of a piece of land. I purchased my home with a VA Diredct loan. I did all of the paperwork my self as the realtor didn't know how. This has been fourty years ago. This method of survaying is called Stellular Triangulation and is exact to the thousanth. When most developers develop property they file a Primary Plat which is not always exact. Many times lot dimensions change due to construction problems such as Perk test. In my 25 years as a Real Estate Associate and Principal Auctioner I have seen the developer leave land that noone really ownes as it is no longer accessable. This can be easilly remedied by accession and requires a simple court procedure in most stated as noone has actually been paying taxes on the property. In this case I would look for liability restitution from the surveyers unless the type of survey was indicated by a specific contract. JUST MY OPENION as I am now retired.
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Also very nice.
