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(@norman-oklahoma)
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@dmyhill

"naught" is British usage. I used to hear it a lot in Canada.

As for the calibre (see what I did there, that Oxford dictionary again) I hear a lot of people say "30 odd 6". But, yes. The word is "naught" 

 

 
Posted : February 19, 2020 9:34 am
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Just remembered saying "half a pole" either right or left and my crew chief did not appreciate that. He told me rather say how many hundredths or a tenth left or right.

 
Posted : February 19, 2020 9:36 am
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@dmyhill

That's what we call it....

When I was green the boss had me doing inventory of the vehicles and reporting anything they needed to the secretary.

Imagine my surprise when she informed me that it's not actually a tool named after a bovine appendage but in fact a frost pin....who'da thunk. 

 

 
Posted : February 19, 2020 10:40 am
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@squirl

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One of the skills of being a good party chief is flexibility and if you know what is being said, there is no reason to get all self-righteous. Get the job done. Who cares if you called out half a pole. I cannot imagine caring.

Oh, and somewhere between a tenth and 0.15' was "come or go a hub".

Thing is, you are visually looking at that edge of the pole. But that is also 5 hundredths.

Of course, I have worked with a few guys that when I called out "left 1 foot," got out their tape and measured exactly 1 foot. The worst was the one guy that thought he was the best party chief ever. I just shook my head, waited forever for him to figure out how far a foot left was and then "right 3 tenths." That may have gone back and forth for a bit. Same guy would get out his tape when I called out "in a tenth." I guess that is fine if you are setting a tack, or if you are new, but...well, he wasn't considered fast.

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Posted : February 19, 2020 10:56 am
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@csk21

My buddy at another outfit kept saying "frost pin" about working on the North Slope, and I asked him if it was the same as a B.P. and he just had this shocked look on his face. I had never heard of a prudish surveying crew before.

 

 
Posted : February 19, 2020 11:02 am
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@dmyhill

I have had a couple chainman over the years who could not swear, one of whom is totally freaked out by the bp term. It makes him visibly uncomfortable so I do not use it.

Far cry from the days when another prudish chainman was chased through the brush by a raunchy party chief wielding a double header he found in the woods. 

 

 
Posted : February 19, 2020 11:33 am
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@dmyhill

A funny memory about "prudish" field hands:

Early one summer in about 1981 I was presented with one "summer help" new hire for my crew.  This was pretty common and we had the usual slew of nephews and client's kids that came and went.  I do vaguely remember this particular young man had some sort of scholastic tie to engineering and wasn't oblivious to our process.

He seemed like a normal fella with above average intelligence.  On our trip out to the job I explained to him what we were going to be doing, which was a huge grid topo on about 80 acres of rolling pasture.  All seemed well.  I was letting the new guy tag along with the rodman just to get a feel for our entire process.  He seemed to be a quick learner and was johnny-on-the-spot.

As I was occupying my 'throne' (in the cab of the truck) near the level and i-man and keeping my grid notes the new guy had returned to the truck.  At my cab window he confided that he "really needed a restroom", apparently quickly.  I myself am not a big fan of taking a dump in the woods and felt sympathetic to his plight.  Since I needed to make a phone call to the office anyway I packed him in the truck with me and left the field book with my competent gunner to continue the topo. 

We made our way about 5 miles to an old service station up on the blacktop.  You probably remember the layout; two doors on the side of the building and a pay phone at the front corner.  We pulled up in front of the phone and as I dug in my pocket for change he scooted around the corner to the bathrooms.  I noticed he came back quickly and hopped back in the truck.  I just assumed the bathroom was occupied and he was waiting his turn.

After my phone call I hopped back in the truck and asked him if the bathroom was still occupied.  He said no and he had finished his "business".  I remarked that he taken the quickest dump known to mankind.  He laughed and said he just had to pee.

I didn't make a big deal out of it, but I told him we usually just relieved our bladders behind a tree or the truck doors and saved trips to civilized facilities for everything else.  He laughed like I was joking.  I had to reiterate I really wasn't joking.  He was dumbfounded that the company "made people go to the bathroom outside"

When we got back to the job I noticed over the next few hours he sought out a quick private conversation with the other two guys on the crew.  Sure enough he was questioning whether or not the company "really made people go to the bathroom outside".  When we returned to the office at the end of the day he quickly made his way up to the owner's office.  I didn't think much about it.

About fifteen minutes later the boss came back and told me the young man would be working in the office the rest of the summer and not in the field.  I asked if it was because of the "bathroom" situation.  He just smiled and shook his head "yes".

The young man worked in the office the rest of the summer.  He was a 'normal' college kid that laughed at all our bad jokes and even made it to the beer joint with us after hours a few times.  He was an OK guy and I think he eventually obtained his CE.  Nobody ever really said anything about his aversion to whizzing in the woods but later on I had to ask the boss WTF?

All the boss ever said was, "I guess his mother taught him not to pee outdoors".

It was a slightly humorous situation I guess, and really no big deal.  But everybody else I ever hired or had on my crew (even females) I made a point of asking them if they had a problem with taking a leak outdoors.  In 40 years he was the only one.   

 

 
Posted : February 19, 2020 12:13 pm
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@party-chef

I'm must say I've sniffed around my fair share of land over the years, both at work and recreationally, but I've never found a double-header or any such similar marital aid. However, according to this site it seems to be fairly common with surveyors.

 

 
Posted : February 19, 2020 3:50 pm
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@dmyhill

I always seemed to get that one rod person (more than 1 would do this) that you tell them a tenth left and they move the rod a tenth and set it  - spot on - then move it another tenth before you can say it's good. Yet if I knew it needed a tenth, would tell them 5 hundredths, guess what - it got moved 5 hundredths and stayed there.

Gritting my teeth all day long, how do you work at correcting that?

 

 
Posted : February 19, 2020 3:57 pm
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@dmyhill

I always seemed to get that one rod person (more than 1 would do this) that you tell them a tenth left and they move the rod a tenth and set it ?ÿ- spot on - then move it another tenth before you can say it's good. Yet if I knew it needed a tenth, would tell them 5 hundredths, guess what - it got moved 5 hundredths and stayed there.

Gritting my teeth all day long, how do you work at correcting that?

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Fractions.?ÿ If they move it too far say back half that, half, half, etc.?ÿ Sorta makes it dummy proof if they're at least paying attention to what they're doing.

 
Posted : February 19, 2020 4:14 pm
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ƒ??gadƒ? is another term for a frost pin AKA bull pr!ck.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gad

 
Posted : February 19, 2020 4:21 pm
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@bstrand

That's what I would do, it's just the face palm moment that it is moved by direction, then decided it needs to be a little bit more. My final frustration comment was how do you teach that person to not continue doing it, but that point is moot in my situation, I'm long past being a IO/Crew Chief. 

 

 
Posted : February 20, 2020 8:24 am
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Part of the movement problems with the rodman come when that person has never been on the I-man side of the job.?ÿ Let them spend a little time in the I-man position and they start to realize quickly why you tell them to do certain things.?ÿ A change in perspective can be very helpful.

 
Posted : February 20, 2020 8:32 am
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Ive always used slap a 89 instead of the Arkansas 90. lol had a couple good chuckles I aint heard in a while

 
Posted : February 23, 2020 1:58 pm
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@rich-roberge

Back in 90 we had a new crew chief that would keep calling that out because the old crew chief used to holler that out all the time. He didn't know how to use the language. He would say "left a CH" and by the time I was setting the point I'd be half a foot away. One day our boss was with us and he yelled that out. When we went to set the point my boss gets on the radio and ask "what the hell kind of women are you dating?"

 

 
Posted : February 25, 2020 12:02 pm
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@norman-oklahoma

 

I remember Dad explaining that one to me...

 

 
Posted : February 25, 2020 2:45 pm
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@richard-germiller

 

So true...so often, they set the point on the ground right where you want it, you punch the button for the shot...and they decide better and move a bit extra...ARRR

 

 
Posted : February 25, 2020 3:38 pm
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@dmyhill

Many people do not know how to plumb and drive any length of iron into the ground at the same time.

By the time the top is at ground level, they have disturbed a square foot of ground with missed strikes and bending.

 

 
Posted : February 25, 2020 7:50 pm
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