Im going to throw this question out there. I've worked and seen this from multiple surveyors with there own opinions.
On a pipe would you consider the diameter size the in side diameter or the diameter of the whole pipe?
My understanding is that pipe is sized by the inside diameter and the thickness of the wall.
> EIP,EIR, IPP,IPS
Existing Iron Pipe
Existing Iron Rod
Iron Pinch Pipe (?)
Iron Pipe Set
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RFB
I heard one "Old Timer" say that was Iron Pin Promised.
Andy
Local Practice is what matters.
I'm a bit guilty of this myself. I don't label pipe or pin sizes. We don't have a "pin cushion" issue around here, so to speak. If you find a "IP" then it's probably what was called for on the plan. Same with a "CB" w/DH.
Our "pin Cushion" issue comes from those that label these bounds out of position by a few hundredths..
Pin
With the small print in CAD I spell it out. I even have a 2"x3" conversion chart "Decimal of a foot to inches" for client on survey plat.
Carlton
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Interesting all these hateful remarks mixed in with
"Lets be a little professional here."
and
"Sometimes it is better to keep ones mouth shut than to open it and reveal ones ignorance and stupidity."
I'm learning more from Mr. Robinson than one might think.
> Local Practice is what matters.
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> I'm a bit guilty of this myself. I don't label pipe or pin sizes. We don't have a "pin cushion" issue around here, so to speak. If you find a "IP" then it's probably what was called for on the plan. Same with a "CB" w/DH.
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> Our "pin Cushion" issue comes from those that label these bounds out of position by a few hundredths..
Ditto
I simply don't have room on the drawing most of the time to call out a multitude of descriptive stuff about each monument. I'd like to, but just can't. If I "pin cushion" something (like over 0.5' away), I'll describe each and give a tie to the erroneous monument and anybody with brain cell can tell the difference between the two.
I also do a lot of abbreviations at the corners on the plat, then expound on them in the legend.
PS = 3/4" Pipe Set
RF = 5/8" Rod Found
RFBS = 1/2" Rod Found Bent - Straightened
etc... of course, it depends on what is found on each project.
Carl
Jham,
I have heard of a "nominal size" pipe diameter that is somewhere in between the inside diameter, and the outside diameter. However, I always report what I measure and label it accordingly. So, for instance, I might say 1" 0.D. (outside diameter) pipe If I measured the whole pipe.
Which one I measure might depend on which one is easier to measure at the time. Often they are capped off, and you can't see the I.D. nor do you have a certainty in the pipe wall thickness. I never second-guess sizes or rebar types or that sort of thing. (If I can see a number 4 imprinted on the rebar I might say #4 rebar, otherwise I might only give the diameter measurement I get with my tape measure)
It's called an opinion. We can disagree. ...live with it.
> It's called an opinion. We can disagree. ...live with it.
I can certainly live with it d-rob, and I’m v. happy that you know we’re just talking about opinions and nothing more than that.
Just so you know, though, there is a category (P&R) that’s specifically set aside for people to complain about our President. 🙂
Don
We try to use the "nominal" sizing. It's difficult when the pipe/pin is peaned over over or buried in hard earth.
My legend notes "Evidence found, labeled" and that symbol receives a specific label as to size, nature and special remarks about that monument.
Generic labeling doesn't fly up here.
Rick
> I'm a bit guilty of this myself. I don't label pipe or pin sizes.
My local County Surveyor not only wants us to specify the diameter of what we set, but the length as well. That's something I'd never done before he came aboard 15 or so years ago, and it rankled a bit. However, he's such a good County Surveyor that I soon got over the "don't tell me how to survey" syndrome, and he no longer has to remind me to label the length.
Just exactly how do you measure the length of a bar in the ground? Do you remove it from the ground and put it back or is it the length above grade? (Not being smart, but I have seen this before and was just curious)
I would imagine the length is only required on the monuments that are set.
For example, in WV, the minimum size for a rebar is 5/8" x 30". On my plats, the legend reads: 5/8"x32" reinforcing rod with orange plastic cap stamped "David A. Lee WV PS 2248" (set)
"My local County Surveyor not only wants us to specify the diameter of what we set..."
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