EIP,EIR, IPP,IPS.... ALONE Is NOT a sufficient description for a boundary monument. I don't care what you have always done, it ain't good enough.... Never has been. You can even say you heard it here first.
How about just 'stob'?
I have sen that one too up here in Yankee Carolina... No one around here gets it though??? WTF? Seriously? If you are not going to describe a pin any better than EIP there in no need to label it at all.... Just show the lines breaking with nothing at all EIP is as good as nothing.
Heard what here first? You made a partial statement with no explanation and an anonymous location.
while i agree with the point, I also know that this is the standard of practice around here. I dont really worry about it too awful much. Most of the time when I find existing irons, they are easily discernable as to character.
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If you are not part of the solution....
> ... If you are not going to describe a pin any better than EIP there in no need to label it at all....
I'll take the clue over nothing at all. Still, I agree that it would be a big help to just note that EIP=Easterly Intersection Point
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I am not going to play guessing games. Lets be a little professional here.:-S
Pin Cush
First of all if you cant tell an EIP from a goat post then you might want to survey in another state .;-)
Also The Board past a Rule last year that you must identify the monument specifically .
Spelled out literally
If you label a found 3/4 rebar, a found 1/2 rebar, and a 1/2 solid rod ALL as "EIP" with nothing else to describe the monument you are a sh*%#ty surveyor.
More often than not the NC boys think it is sufficient, but it is not. Everybody doing it is not a good or professional attitude to have about your flaws.
We have something that's called a "Legend". It identifies the meaning of the acronyms on the survey.
Now I am aware that many surveyors fail to show the legend, but it is not local. It is nationwide.
We all have some surveyors that take pride in their work and some that just want to be paid. A good reputation is better than none at all and a Bad Reputation holds even more weight ...but not for long.
My name and location is on this post because I take pride in my work. On the other hand we have Pincushion.
And by the way Norman, dogs are pretty smart!|-)
I don't remember EI-whatever. I always preferred IPS or IPF - as in set or found.
Although I would agree there was always some ambiguity (for me) about was that a pin or a pipe?
And if you ever did work for NC-DOT, it gets worse. All codes are 4 digit numbers. We all carried little laminated cheet sheets with us.
> EIP,EIR, IPP,IPS.... ALONE Is NOT a sufficient description for a boundary monument. I don't care what you have always done, it ain't good enough.... Never has been. You can even say you heard it here first.
I was unaware that things were not done that way in many places besides where I call home.
Yes, when I started my business labeling corners in that manner was the norm. Being a bit of a rebel I started spelling out exactly what I found or set. (I also do a crazy thing called capping everything I set but that is another story.)
The funny thing is, pretty soon after I started, nearly everyone else in this area was spelling things out as well. I suggest Mr. Cushion that there is nothing quite like leading by example. Yes, I know it makes your job (and my job) a pain in the backside to follow behind some of the other folks. But that is why you get paid a premium for your work, right? 😉
Larry P
Anything less than a fully described monument is pointless and useless in referring to what is a record monument.
"By reputation" is the only way to interpret what that would mean in a court of law. And in the bottom line, it would be a waste of courts time to argue what a surveyor's reputation was every time it came about.
It may fit in notes from the field. It does not have a place on end product without a legend.
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These vague descriptions for corner monuments on surveys are not limited to North Carolina. Despite being in violation of Alabama's Standards of Practice that were established over 20 years ago, I still see them on some recent surveys.
I agree. Monuments should be specifically called out. I always do, and that is part of the reason I am barely in business anymore. I don't think it is a huge issue if people don't describe the monuments, but it is hard to compete with the people who never take the time to measure a monument diameter or note the type, never file monument records, don't set all of the pins shown on their surveys, lie to clients when they can have the work done by, under bid their fellow surveyors by a 1/4'th of what most would charge, ect. Everyone says to hang in there, but the general public (from what I ussually see) do not care about quality, they care about when it will be done and for how much. It is the same as buying Chinese garbage from Walmart. But anymore, who can afford to go anywhere else. Very few people, even other professionals that hire us appreciate good work anymore. The world has that mentality that they want to push a button and have it now for nothing. I think I am going to move on and get a job to subsidize my surveying habit. I feel like a hobby farmer.
I feel your pain. I have no choice than to ride it out. Hopefully, when Obama is gone people will feel the change and things will return to normal. Families and businesses have had this dark cloud of uncertainty for 3½ years. When "We the People" regain some sense of control, things should pick up and the economy should improve. Just hang in there.;-)
> I feel your pain. I have no choice than to ride it out. Hopefully, when Obama is gone people will feel the change and things will return to normal. Families and businesses have had this dark cloud of uncertainty for 3½ years. When "We the People" regain some sense of control, things should pick up and the economy should improve. Just hang in there.;-)
I certainly don't mean to call names, but a lot of people that act the way you've been acting on this thread, and then introducing politics into it as well; a lot of people like that, and I'm not saying you, by no means, certainly not, but a lot of people like that could sometimes, not by me, of course, but sometimes people like that could be characterized, occasionally only, of course, might be in danger of being labeled, in good humor, I'm saying, a fool.
Don
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