I'm trying to stay calm. My client needs to process a new no-access easement on a commercial center. I have written said easement as a line, obviously, with multiple POBs and POTs for the entry drives. The bureaucrat at the town wants a closure report because it says in their rules that all legal descriptions submitted must have a closure report. I can't get it through to her that a line with multiple POBs and POTs can't close, ever.
I suppose I could write from COGO to a Word file, which would have all the bearings, distances, and curve data, then stop at the end. But it sure won't close.
Get to the 'point of ending', that you have now, reverse direction and go back to the 'place of beginning" perfect closure. LOL
BS to answer BS.
Or run your "closure" from your beginning coordinate to your ending coordinate. Yes, I know it's stupid and meaningless, but it will satisfy a nut job.
I get these requests (demands) from time to time. Most of the time I print two closures. One of the polyline exterior to compute area and another with Center Line with no area.
As a side note, I see no benefit in turning this adversarial. Attempt to educate. In the end the requester might just be trying to keep their job...
Begin from: point-of-beginning description, whence "endpoint" bears xxxxx, thence on and on to the "endpoint": and run your closure to that point with your call from the begin point. That might satisfy the misunderstanding clerk.
Once you reach the end of your centerline simply reference the brg and dist to the POB. I have had this occur multiple times due to bureaucratic reviewers and in all instances this has worked just fine.
> I'm trying to stay calm. ...
Just draw 7 red lines, 2 with red ink, 2 with blue ink, the rest with transparent ink. Make them all perpendicular, in the shape of a cat.
Can you call it a "No Access Restriction Limit"? Or maybe along your line and then 0.00001' perpendicular; thence, reverse your bearing and then 0.000001' back to the beginning. You will be out 0.0000009' but you wouldn't want them to think you fudged the closure.
"Attempt to educate."
After how many years does one stop attempting...??
What about the balloon?
20..thats the average..since i have been over 30 now, I have completely lost hope and now just give them a closure report.
now that thar is funny, i dont care who you are...which of the lines are transparent?
I have supplied simple reports with the B&D calls as shown in the legal for strip descriptions. Typically they just want something to check the math.
I would educate the same as you that a strip description does not need a CLOSURE.
I think I gave up around 35...
Bruce - tell her that is an illegal description so it can't have a closure report...
>...which of the lines are transparent?
I presume you understand what the word "transparent" means.
Something to check
That's what I finally did for them, so they would have something to "check." I realize they have no familiarity with my coordinate geometry, so they wouldn't know the exact same routines that write the data to the screen and printer also write the legal description to Word.
I once explained this to an attorney in terms he could understand: Suppose someone asks you to check a legal description, so you go to the copier and run a copy, then carefully check the original against the copy. What have you just demonstrated? That the copier has toner, nothing else.
I really did try to explain to her that a line can't have a closure, but that did no good because she just quoted their requirement that they must have a closure report for every legal description. And she had one of those demanding voices, absolutely sure she was right while I on the other hand was clearly trying to sneak something past her.
Are they "rules" created by the community planning department or are they codified town ordinances? If it is the later the town employee cant do a thing. The law makers have spoken. If it is the former try talking to the director of the relevant department and explain the rule is no applicable. I understand it would be a pain, but why cant you produce a description that will close?
A local town has a regulation for all subdivisions, that a surveyor provide a closure report showing the "adjustment of all points and boundaries".
I wrote the town a letter as county surveyor stating that this rule was likely intended for measurements made by a transit, but that in any event, a surveyor does not "adjust boundaries". Boundaries are fixed, and do not move around because the town requires it. Measurement values are adjusted. I made suggestions on how to require what they are really trying to say, relative to modern instruments and methods.
I withheld any comment that no one employed by the Town would have any idea what to do with an "adjustment sheet".
I got no response. the regulation is still there. I guess every subdivision is technically illegal. My assumption is that the town was offended by the suggestion of a mere surveyor.
ww co pls
Yes of course, but did you draw them with blue ink?
