Client Wants to Create A Pin Farm

Talk them into a flagged hub at the "true" corner instead; did that recently. At least then they can see what's going on without causing problems down the road. You know better, they don't. Educate them.

IF I rejected one that far away, I'd be careful.

IF I rejected one that far away, I'd set a monument OF SUBSTANCE, at the "True Corner".

Maybe 1" rebar, with aluminum Cap.

Or something like that. Go to your local SCRAP METAL yard, where they BUY metal, and they like to sell you stuff, at about 2x what they paid for it. Around here I usually BUY at 0.20 a pound.

For goodness sake, document the rejected pin and set the corner with a substantial mon. Why wouldn't the client want that in every case when they understand the offset??

If you find something that looks like a mon but does not qualify, goat stakes etal, DO document and remove them. Leave things clean and clear of misunderstandings for the owners and contractors.

The first thing to come to my mind is that the found pin might be on an offset for a reason. Are you sure there is not something there preventing it from being set at the corner?

When I find a property pin, my presumption is that it is the corner, and I look for evidence to reject it. If I accept a monument, I annotate the bearing and distance I measured to that monument, and add the deed call in parentheses as being the "record" call. If I find reason to reject it, I set my own monument.

I don't blame the client for wanting his corners set. He wants you to take a stance and set something he can rely on as his property corner. I would want an iron with a cap and your license number on it as something I can point to and say "that's the corner" according to the professional I hired.

Are you sure the corner monument you measured from to get there wasn't the one off a foot? (Okay, being sarcastic a bit. I am sure you have confidence on where you're coming from)

You had already created a virtual pincushion when you showed the 1/2" iron as not being at the corner. The only difference between the virtual pincushion and a tangible one in the field is that the virtual one is only apparent upon inspection of the map (and presuming the holder of the map knows how to read it), and the tangible one is obvious to anyone who comes across it in the field.

A pincushion is not a negative on the subsequent surveyor simply because he set another monument in the immediate vicinity of a found apparent monument. The negative is on the subsequent surveyor if he rejected the existing marker without thoroughly investigating how it got there, why it's there, who placed it, and if he rejected it without adequate reason for doing so. If it's essentially a meaningless piece of scrap metal, the proverbial "goat stake", then you serve your client better by properly monumenting the corner.

I'm not making a judgment call on whether or not the 1/2" iron was something that should have been accepted. If not, I can understand why the owner wants the actual corner marked. He may be looking ahead to hiring a fence contractor and can envision one whole line fenced incorrectly because they went to the unmarked 1/2" iron rod.

If I had a survey done, I would want a monument set at the actual corner. I don't think it's asking a lot.

:good: I agree.

Not only do I agree with that-

The bogus pin does not need to be there.
If you think it's wrong, pull it.
Set a new marker with a new cap and show the client where his property corner is.
That is why he hired you.

If you find something that looks like a mon but does not qualify, goat stakes etal, DO document and remove them. Leave things clean and clear of misunderstandings for the owners and contractors.

And for the adjoiners! It is their corner monument too.

The client is right. You are wrong. I agree with everyone above, esp. with EAPLS2708.

Stephen

Way too much agreeing going here this close to the election,

I'd be pretty pissed if someone yanked my rod and then set their own a foot away.

Plastic caps pop off all the time - frost, animals, kids, etc.

I think that a search for plans and questioning the neighbors are order, to find out the origin of the rod.

If it's by another surveyor, I'd give him a call. If it's from some unlicensed clown or field guy moonlighting, then I may not have a problem lifting it.

There are laws in many states that prohibit the removal of "a monumented corner"

Nothing there prohibiting the setting of a corner. The other three corners were all in and within a couple hundredths

I thought I'd get a lot more replies after lobbing that one in there.

Why did you reject the existing iron pin? Math???

By rejecting the existing monument and setting a new one, you are stating that it isn't a monument. Therefore, there would be no law against removing it.

:good:

Yes, that's what I'd like to know. And is it possible that the rod fits with the abutter's parcel, which may have senior rights?