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Bruce Small
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2004 survey by someone not known for his competence. Plat by an engineer based upon that survey. Engineer is not big on checking the drafting. They both signed the plat. Client wants me to survey Lot 1. There is no Lot 1 on that plat.


 
Posted : May 21, 2021 1:57 pm
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Let's hope his deed doesn't reflect a sale of Lot 1.?ÿ 😉


 
Posted : May 21, 2021 2:04 pm
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Easy survey, I hope you didn't charge him much.


 
Posted : May 21, 2021 3:05 pm
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I will see your lot 1, and raise you a Lot 2.?ÿ I was just hired to survey lot 2 in this plat.?ÿ This is the recorded map.

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Posted : May 21, 2021 5:07 pm
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@paden-cash All of the deeds since 2010 refer to Lot 1. Commercial site with a large building and nobody noticed there is no Lot 1. Glad the attorneys were on top of this one.?ÿ

Lurker - you bet I'm charging them plenty.?ÿ Who knows what else is wrong as I dig deeper. I've just noticed he has a tie to a quarter corner that hasn't been seen in 25 years (in the middle of a residential lot).


 
Posted : May 21, 2021 5:26 pm

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@toivo1037

You have sufficient information to survey Lot 2, but what does your client have title to, East half, West half or both? Without a title search. Surveying 17.5 might be more difficult. What does that adjoiner's deed say. If I were hired to do either I would have deeds for 1, ?, ?, 3, 16, 17, ? & 18 in hand before I started. I would want there calls to bounds (monuments and adjoiner's), because that is what surveying is in the good old Colonial states.

Paul in PA


 
Posted : May 22, 2021 6:04 am
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Posted by: @toivo1037

There are multiple ways this could have been intended, and I think you are going to have to investigate how every deed in the subdivision has been interpreted and occupied.

It seems likely that the corner lots on both ends were supposed to be double size and the numbering in between is shifted.?ÿ That would make Lots 9 and 10 bigger, and Lot 2 the one next to lot 1.


 
Posted : May 22, 2021 6:25 am
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@toivo1037

That one is a classic.

I might have to pass on it.?ÿ


 
Posted : May 22, 2021 7:51 am
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I am currently working with an odd one that is missing four lot numbers in the block.?ÿ But, the plat is clear as to why that happened.?ÿ The plat dates to about 1870 when a Catholic Father had full authority to use property as he saw fit.?ÿ The west half of the southeast quarter of the section was platted (on paper) to divide the entire tract into streets/blocks/lots/streets/alleys.?ÿ A specific area was set up to be used as a burial place.?ÿ This area took what should have been the west four lots of what would be the southwest corner of a block, the west four lots of what would have been the northwest corner of a block to the south and the street between those two blocks of lots.?ÿ The numbering system used in the blocks started with Lot 1 in the northwest corner and Lot 2 in the southwest corner such that odd numbers were north of the alley and even numbers south of the alley.?ÿ Thus, I am working with an area that would have been Lots 2,4,6 and 8.?ÿ The block to the south is missing Lots 1,3,5 and 7.

The cemetery never was used as such. So the street ran through the middle and the missing four lots in each block became M&B descriptions.


 
Posted : May 22, 2021 9:14 am
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@toivo1037 Hope your ouija board is in good working order.


Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.

 
Posted : May 22, 2021 10:17 am

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Maybe it's a research issue. Maybe if you had the right plat, things would make more sense.?ÿ


 
Posted : May 22, 2021 11:12 am
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@williwaw

Nope.?ÿ Not a lot in this county I won't survey.?ÿ M&B, or acreage - I may pass on but only because I don't have time to.?ÿ I like the old plats, and figuring out what needs to happen to make them work.?ÿ Of course there are only 4 surveyors in our tri-county area so you gotta do what you gotta do to get things done sometimes.

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BTW guys, I believe the answer is the draftsman got overzels in drawing N-S lines, and according to local testimony, the end 4 lots (1,2,17&18) are all double size.?ÿ I will verify when I am there in a few weeks and let you know if something is wonky.


 
Posted : May 22, 2021 2:49 pm
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@toivo1037

I can think of a very small addition to a local town consisting of only 5 or 6 lots.?ÿ Let's say they are numbered with Lot 1 on the west end and Lot 6 on the east end.?ÿ The problem is that?ÿ the alleged owners of Lot 1 live in the house on Lot 6.?ÿ The owners of Lot 6 live in the house on Lot 1.?ÿ Somehow there was confusion early on and the ownership was issued as if the numbering of the lots were reversed.?ÿ No one has ever made an effort to correct the errors with every lot.


 
Posted : May 22, 2021 3:25 pm
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@toivo1037 I love a good challenge myself. Keeps the noodles sharp. Keep us posted. I'd check the unnumbered lots were not excluded from the original parent parcel some how or another and just not clearly labeled or bordered.


Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.

 
Posted : May 22, 2021 3:54 pm
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@paul-in-pa

This has nothing to do with being a Colonial State or not. It's?ÿ as likely in a PLSS state, unless you think surveyors make fewer mistakes in PLSS states??ÿ


 
Posted : May 22, 2021 9:55 pm

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@holy-cow

I have seen that happen in condominiums where the unit numbers were placed on the doors in reverse order to the plat, units were sold and occupied according to the door numbers. All is well and good until someone dies or tries to sell their unit. Trying to organize quit claim deeds with 8 to 12 owners and their mortgage companies is like putting a man on the moon.


 
Posted : May 24, 2021 12:44 pm
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Once you do the field work, things usually fix themselves. I suspect the block is 400 feet long and there are only 8 40-foot lots.?ÿ


 
Posted : May 25, 2021 10:11 am