ANYBODY GOT A "1930 MANUAL OF INSTRUCTIONS" IN PDF FROMAT THEY COULD SHARE, OR POINT ME TO A SOURCE?
THANX IN ADVANCE
GEEZER
I vaguely (and maybe erroneously) remember someone posting a link (RPLS Board) to a scanned (.pdf) copy of the 1930 Manual a few years ago, but I can't find it.
Then again, I could be having a senior moment!
I have an original on my shelf, but I ain't a gonna scan it for ya buddy (sorry).
Loyal
Loyal,
NO! I wouldn't expect you to either. But I do appreciate you looking for me.
thanx,:-)
geezer
I was thinking that White's book had all the PLSS manuals in the back but it only goes up to about 1900 or so. The 1930 manual isn't included. Sorry I don't have one.
try this link: http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=umn.31951000527204f;page=root;view=image;size=100;seq=1;num=i
sorry that I haven't learned how to use this site yet.
Jerry
Mighty Moe saves the day!!!
Thought I had a copy but I don't..... Till now.
I was in the middle of thoroughly enjoying re-reading some old RPLS.com posts that turned up with a search of "1930 manual". It brought about the fact that no post will ever go unscrutinized, uncriticized and unsarcasticized!!! (yea I know its not a real word but it fits) It was a hilarious tangent to go off on.
Hey Jerry - looks like you know exactly what you're doing!
Jim
Now if someone would hurry up and get the 2009 one on there....
I think that there are still copyright issues involved...
Copyright issues? So what you're saying is that the government doesn't own the rights to the whole manual and they have to offer it only for sale? It's ok by me because the office already has a copy, but it's sure nice to have them all in one spot.
That is what I understand. I believe that some of the riparian sections written by Simpson are entangled by copyright issues by the publisher of his book.
2009 MANUAL
Jim is correct about copyright restrictions and the agreement with the ACSM Foundation that is distributing the 2009 Manual for BLM.
2009 MANUAL
I would be interested in what proof and authority you can cite for this copyright assertion.
From what I have heard, (hearsay), Simpson did not intend his copyright RELEASE to 'prohibit' public domain release of the alleged 2009 manual which did not actually exist until well into 2010. And from my non lawyer reading of it, I don't think it does either.
It is my opinion that the assertion of copyright was nothing but a sham or ploy to backup the scheme to have the manual privately published in order to charge exhorbitant prices and have the profits go into the PLSS foundation slush fund.
Sort of a little bitty iran-contra thing. Now with all these funds under the control of a few BLM insiders but outside of any normal accountability anything can happen.
By the way, so far as I can tell in well over a year since this agreement was hatched and (by the way, probably expired) the Foundation didn't do anything.
I am gratified to see that they did start to publish some of the more glaring errata on the wierd private non government web site.
I could go on but I am trying to restrain myself.
Public agency, spent perhaps several millions of dollars to create the manual rewrite and for the first time in our history it is not a public document?
A crock in my opinion. But perhaps by toeing the corporate line you will be in for some of those PLSS Foundation bene's....
- jlw
Not A Public Document Is A Crock
National Building Codes are now available on line. If the public is required to know it, the public must have reasonable access.
Paul in PA
Not A Public Document Is A Crock
The subdivision rules for each county I work in are on line, the statutes, the court cases, even some deeds and plats are now on line. And it has been expensive for some of the county courthouses to scan these old documents. Now we have a document that is public yet can't be made available, even though it could be quite simply because no doubt it is already digital. Why, because the Feds don't have the money?
2009 MANUAL
I've looked at a couple of other surveying books in my library and find a copyright declaration on the back side of the title page. However, I find no such declaration in the 2009 Manual. What is there is
"The Office of Cadastral Survey of the Bureau of Land Management acknowledges with gratitude the generous donation by James A. Simpson of the copyright and some of the associated image production materials for his book River and Lake Boundaries, case studies from which appear in Chapters III and VIII of this edition of the Manual of Surveying Instructions.
For the legal experts: does this mean that except for the Simpson material, the remainder of the Manual, which was produced by employees of the US Government and provided by the US Government Printing Office, could be released or copied without copyright infringement?
It would certainly be nice to be able to carry around a CD rather than the very heavy printed version.
I don't know about your copies but in mine the folder in the back holding the Appendixes was glued in right next to the binding and I am seeing the beginnings of damage at the back edge of the spine. I carefully pulled the folder away from the back cover and reglued it farther away.
2009 MANUAL
The agreement between BLM and ACSM(PLSSF) expired in October for reproduction and distribution rights. BLM said way back in the beginning that it was the Simpson copyright that precluded issuance of a digital version, but that was really not the case. It was the exclusive publication deal between BLM and ACSM that stymied a digital version. Now that the agreement has lapsed, what would prevent anyone from scanning and releasing a digital version? I don't see any reason why the 09 Manual cannot be considered public domain just like the 73 Manual.
Surveyors will always buy a bound version for their library, but a digital version will aid in the use of the 09 Manual by being able to provide a search capability and make it much more usable.
I don't know why BLM and ACSM do not support the profession, especially in these economic times. No wonder both institutions are routinely slammed.
One plus that I do have is for GLO Records website that has posted many of the past GLO and BLM publications including former Manuals in the "Reference" section on their website. http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/beta/reference/default.aspx
They are missing the 47 Manual, however. Maybe the 47 and 09 Manuals are not far behind, one can hope.
2009 MANUAL
A scan would be nice but sooo last century. A searchable pdf, doc, or mobile book is today.
