I work with Carlson Standalone with Autocad 2006. When I plot I plot in Model Space, I usually choose a paper size that is larger than the plat and than trim manually the cut lines. Isn't there another way to do this with paper space? For instance with paper space can't I plot at exactly the size that I'm using, like 24" X 36" for 24" X 36" without having to manually trim the paper?
Yes, you insert your border into paperspace at a scale of 1. Then you create a viewport (a window from paperspace into modelspace) using the command "mview". Then toggle the paper/model control so that the viewport is active and you can then zoom,pan, etc. so that your drawing is positioned correctly in the border. Scale can be set by typing "zoom", then "1/20xp" to set a 20 scale for example.
Plotting from Paper Space is a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned. I use 24"x36" as my standard sheet size, and have margins set accordingly to that no trimming is required for that size paper. (I use cut sheets, but you can do the same with rolls as long as the roll width fits one of your desired finished dimensions.) I still have to trim Record of Survey sheets, which in CA are legislatively required to be 18"x26", but other than that I leave the cutter on its hook.
Draw in Model Space, Plot in Paper Space
Paper space makes printing so much easier. Just insert your border and then do a page set up manager and create your view port and you are ready to rock and roll. I usually do my line work ect in model but keep my legend any notes in paper space works great for me.
I plot in Model every time. I hate paper space. I don't have to trim. I draw the border with the paper size I want, offset it 1/2" and use the outside as my clipping window. It's always worked.
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I work, eat, sleep and plot in Model space. Can't deal with Paper space at any level. To me it was invented for people who don't understand and can't deal with scales.
No, actually it was invented for people that have jobs that filled more than one sheet. In that case, it is a God-send!! If everything fits on one sheet, or a plat sheet and then a second sheet for descriptions, multiple certifications, vicinity maps, etc., then model space works just fine for most people.
If anyone is wanting to go into paper space but is not sure how to do it, I have a training paper that is cad monkey tested and approved that I will be glad to email to anyone interested.
Speaking of people that cannot understand scales, have y'all seen the video that Lynn Allen did on paper space for Cadalyst magazine? She's going through all her stuff and she zooms to her bar scale. It's all set up for a scale of 1 inch equals 30 feet and then under it, she has used the AutoCad approved text (at least that is what is showing up in my plot scale table) of 1:30. Am I the only one that knows the formula of 1:30 IS NOT the same as 1"=30'?? Evidently she has never heard of a "representative fraction". I just love experts.:-D
For land surveying plans, model space is great as it provides more flexibility on the chosen length coming out of the plotter.
For engineering plans with standard sizes, paper space is the preferred choice by most firms, I would say.
Does your paper go over the whole text problem? I would like to be able to draw text, insert labels and dimensions, etc. in model space and then be able to print in paper space at any scale and have it work. For instance, sometimes projects get added to and I want to show many more things, so a smaller scale on a larger sheet. Whichever way I go, the text will either be so small it's unreadable or so large it blots out the rest of the drawing. I've read a bunch of papers, this board, and watched videos that all claim to address the problem but never seen a real good solution.
> Speaking of people that cannot understand scales, have y'all seen the video that Lynn Allen did on paper space for Cadalyst magazine? She's going through all her stuff and she zooms to her bar scale. It's all set up for a scale of 1 inch equals 30 feet and then under it, she has used the AutoCad approved text (at least that is what is showing up in my plot scale table) of 1:30. Am I the only one that knows the formula of 1:30 IS NOT the same as 1"=30'?? Evidently she has never heard of a "representative fraction". I just love experts.:-D
It seems to make some sense to me. If her "units" are feet, then she has scaled the viewport using a zoom factor of 1/30xp, which I would interpret as 1:30. The text you are seeing might just be the label for that particular block, and not intended to relate to the printed scale of 1"=30'.
Plotting in Model Space or Paper Space>wow paper space rocks
Not only for plotting, but for title blocks, notes, legends, bar scale, north arrow, certs, and all that stuff that you don't need cluttering up your work space. Its great to seperate the data from the "boiler plate" junk.
You guys need to get on board!
Oh yeah, to answer the original question, yes you can make it easier to plot in paper space. It is not hard to setup specific sheet sizes even with preloaded info like logo, scale etc.
PS I use carlson stand alone 2008 autocad engine
Paper Space necessary in some situations
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> I work, eat, sleep and plot in Model space. Can't deal with Paper space at any level. To me it was invented for people who don't understand and can't deal with scales.
There are things you can do w/ paper space that that you can't do without it. Like plotting a long skinny road on a single sheet . You can draw the whole thing in model space and then pick several lontg-skinny viewports to display it all neatly on one sheet. the only other option is to snip it apart in model space which loses all the coordinate information and is generally a hassle when things need revision.
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Uh no. I routinely have house details, vicinity maps, and a even topo with different scales for cross sections (I had 25 one time) all on one map in model. It's really really easy. I'm also a wheel mouse junkie and paper space makes me go into withdrawls.
Uh, no sir, not at all. Do a Google search for "Representative Fraction". This is a standard mapping scale like you see on all quad maps. 1:50,000 means that 1 INCH
on the map equals 50,000 INCHES on the ground. That ratio is NOT the same as 1/50000xp would give in paper space.:'(
Plotting in Model Space or Paper Space>CPTDENT
Wow, what an argument..... Of course 1:30 equals "1 part is 30 parts", but in ACAD print world the ratio can be defined so that the "1" is inches and the "30" is feet....
So, you both are right!
But one thing that isn't being discussed about the benefits of paper space is that all the notes and extraneous stuff can be in the paper space drawing without cluttering up the model space that you work in !
Well, Kinda-sorta. What I would do in those cases would be to copy the text, then select the copied text and do a "chtext" on it. That throws it into papaer space at the same font size as the original. Then freeze the layer with the original text in that particular viewport to prevent "doubling". Once in paper space the text should be fine on your prints. If not, change the text size in paper space to whatever looks good.
Annotative scale seems to be a good solution for plotting various viewports at different scales. I do not understand how to use it yet, I haven't taken the time to learn how to use it. If I understand correctly, you could have different viewports, each at a different scale in which the labeling (in model view) is automatically re-sized to match the scale in each viewport. Sounds pretty slick.
Another good thing about paper space is the fact that layers can be controlled independently in each viewports, that's handy.
Plotting in Model Space or Paper Space>CPTDENT
I draw everything in model space at a 1:1 (1" = 1 unit), and scale the viewport(s) in paper space as needed.
