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nate-the-surveyor
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"any relation between this plat, and actual field conditions, is purely coincidental"

"Messing up the local cadastre, one survey at a time!"

Our ability to care, is entirely dependent on how much money we make. We often get jobs by being the lowest bidder. 

"Our liability for errors of survey, is limited to the cost of the survey"

Happy weekend.

Nate

 
Posted : August 11, 2023 7:22 pm
holy-cow
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Fiction is stranger than fact.  This plat being a prime example thereof.

 
Posted : August 11, 2023 7:57 pm
fairbanksls
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So sad.

 
Posted : August 11, 2023 8:05 pm
GaryG
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You can't certify yourself OUT of responsibility! 

 
Posted : August 12, 2023 4:04 am
nate-the-surveyor
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You can't certify yourself OUT of responsibility

I do hereby certify that I am not responsible for any of my actions.

 

 
Posted : August 12, 2023 5:36 am

not-my-real-name
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Don't blame me if I can't accept responsibility.

 
Posted : August 12, 2023 6:33 am
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Limiting liability is highly encouraged by the professional liability insurance companies.  In fact, they may provide a discount on your premiums if you have limits of liability in your contracts.

 

 
Posted : August 12, 2023 7:31 am
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GIF
 
Posted : August 12, 2023 7:43 am
OleManRiver
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I believe that there is a direct correlation between this and Micro Management style and shirking style. The line or balance beam between these two extremes is where you usually find the person who is unafraid to take responsibility for their actions and not others under their charge. Being exposed to so many people in charge with so many different styles in a variety of missions and or jobs projects this is my perspective. When you find that person that is somewhere close to the balance beam you usually find a great mentor and someone who truly cares about quality and is not afraid of taking full responsibility of there actions. 

 
Posted : August 12, 2023 7:52 am
nate-the-surveyor
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I'm just not the responsible kind.

And, that's your fault!

If you'd set your prices higher, I would not have to undercut so far, and I could do better work.

 
Posted : August 12, 2023 8:03 am

party-chef
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One of the very best boundary surveyors I have known had a liability limit clause in their contract, he laughed when talking about it and had no expectation that it would hold up in court should it come down to it.

In terms of genuine threats to the profession from shirking of responsibility I think this is pretty low on the list.

From what I can tell, the discipline as a whole is stepping back from the role of professional and pushing that to the attorneys.  I am a casual observer really, being much more on the construction side of things, but I suspect that younger Surveyors are much more obtuse when it comes to making calls.

Am I wrong?

 
Posted : August 12, 2023 8:50 am
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To be clear, limits of liability should be included in the contract and not in the survey deliverables.

For those who work on ALTA surveys, Table A, Item 19 which adds professional liability insurance to the project, states "this item (policy amount) shall not be addressed on the face of the plat or map". I believe this is good advice for other forms of surveys.

In an industry that provides little to no protection for design professionals, "our liability of errors of survey, is limited to the cost of the survey" is a form of risk management. If the client is aware of this limitation during contract negotiation, I don't find it to be weasel words.

 
Posted : August 12, 2023 9:07 am