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I recently had a discussion with a surveyor who could not understand why I have my TS and tribrachs cleaned and calibrated once a year. I was taught to do this back in the 80's before I was licensed. I check and adjust my own prism poles. But I am curious how often, if at all, members of this group have their TS and Tribrachs adjusted.

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Posted : January 22, 2017 7:59 pm
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I'm just a young buck, but I bitch and moan if the TS isn't sent in once a year. That quality has been both a friend and an enemy, take it for what its worth.


 
Posted : January 22, 2017 8:05 pm
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Better than that, adjust the tribrachs yourself and get to a calibration baseline.


 
Posted : January 22, 2017 8:16 pm
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Mark Mayer, post: 410444, member: 424 wrote: Better than that, adjust the tribrachs yourself and get to a calibration baseline.

Good suggestion. I have been considering adjusting my own tribrachs. I will probably invest in some calibration cylinders at some point. But the calibration baseline is too far from my office to be cost effective for the TS. TS calibration is about $200.

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Posted : January 22, 2017 8:33 pm
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BushAxe, post: 410440, member: 11897 wrote: I am curious how often, if at all, members of this group have their TS and Tribrachs adjusted.

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Total stations serviced once a year, baseline once a year and field calibration whenever I feel they aren't performing as I'd like. All other equipment including tribracks are checked probably 2 times a year all together, and individual pieces checked before accurate work and adjusted if needed


 
Posted : January 22, 2017 8:49 pm

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BushAxe, post: 410447, member: 11897 wrote: Good suggestion. I have been considering adjusting my own tribrachs. I will probably invest in some calibration cylinders at some point. But the calibration baseline is too far from my office to be cost effective for the TS. TS calibration is about $200.

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FWIW,

Just curious, is the Whiteville CBL unusable or is ~50 miles too far? BTW, did anyone comment to NGS on the new CBL policy? The comment period has already passed. Details are on the CBL page here: https://geodesy.noaa.gov/CBLINES/calibration.shtml

Cheers, DMM


 
Posted : January 22, 2017 11:20 pm
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I adjust my tribrachs myself, but I take my robot in for professional adjustment once a year (more often if necessary). I take it with me when I go to the TAPS conference in the spring. Troy Deaton is always there, and if you drop your instrument off with them on the first day, they will get it back to you by the time the conference ends. That way, you won't have any down time due to your instrument being in the shop.


 
Posted : January 22, 2017 11:52 pm
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I drop off the robot at least once a year for calibration. Same with Tri-brachs. I rather have the professionals adjust the robot.


 
Posted : January 23, 2017 5:29 am
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C Billingsley, post: 410461, member: 1965 wrote: I adjust my tribrachs myself, but I take my robot in for professional adjustment once a year (more often if necessary). I take it with me when I go to the TAPS conference in the spring. Troy Deaton is always there, and if you drop your instrument off with them on the first day, they will get it back to you by the time the conference ends. That way, you won't have any down time due to your instrument being in the shop.

I met and spoke with Troy in Georgia, he is a really nice guy.


 
Posted : January 23, 2017 6:40 am
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Being the son of a mechanical engineer I learned to adjust equipment over the years. They all are basically the same, so the skill works across different manufacturers (Trimble could be an exception). I took things apart, cleaned and fixed what I could. For my TS I bought a second "for parts only" machine and have it on hand to service the good one. I use known baselines and verify the DM periodically. Tribrachs get a check every 3 or 4 months. Tightening up the tripods is a must. Rods after every job (the jig is set up and just takes a few seconds to verify).

That being said - the TS goes into the dealer every 2 years for a look. Never hurts to get a second opinion.


 
Posted : January 23, 2017 10:04 am

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We send our calibration TS away for a full independent calibration every 3 or 4 years.As soon as it comes back it goes on a local baseline we have which replicates the pillar spacing on the calibration line. Set up 8 tripods - read with calibration instrument; then each of the other instruments goes on in turn so we have a complete set of data for each to compare with the calibration unit. (overall length is about 900 metres).

Graph the results and you can then determine the scale and constant corrections to apply to each. The calibration instrument is kept for "special" jobs only, so it gets very well looked after.

Tribrachs - checked yearly and before/after any high accuracy jobs. You can adjust them well enough yourself to within half a millimetre (we use a template on top of the tripod so that each time you turn them through 120 degrees they sit back in exactly the same location on the head). If anything closer is needed we would adopt a subtraction measurement technique using a backset station for the line to be measured. That way you eliminate any centring errors on the distance (but not necessarily on the angle).

As already mentioned CHECK THE TRIPOD LEGS.

And don't forget to compare all the prisms and holders with each other. It's a good way of filling in those spare days.


 
Posted : January 23, 2017 10:21 am
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For vertical precision, total station should be field calibrated every 20-40F of temperature change depending on manufacture.


 
Posted : January 23, 2017 11:13 am
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My thoughts are that taking a delicate (plastic) instrument apart needlessly is probably not good practice.
They should probably be sent to a shop and adjusted when the check measurements indicate that the errors exceed your requirements.
Most TS's have a collimation routine that will inform you when the errors exceed the instruments ability to compensate for errors.

Same thing with a level....nobody is touching my level until I have determined that it needs adjustment.

Most instruments have internal batteries that need to be replaced from time to time (sometimes as frequent as every 2 years)...that's usually a good time to have it cleaned/adjusted, firmware re-loaded/upgraded.

If your instrument is getting knocked out of adjustment in 12 months of use...it's getting banged around somewhere between the trip to the coffee shop and the office at the end of the day. I'd also look at where it is being stored in transit (near the tailgate is a horrible place).


 
Posted : January 23, 2017 3:38 pm
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Truthfully, I often wonder what the heck they do when someone sends in a perfectly good total station....perform some checks....wipe a few parts with a Q-Tip, slap a sticker on the case and send out the bill to make some feel better?

Tech to shop manager...."everything looked good, what should I put on the invoice?"

Shop Manager to Tech..."Throw some of those 99 cent O-rings on there and I'll handle the invoice."


 
Posted : January 23, 2017 3:42 pm
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Based on my experience, it depends on the qualifications of the shop you send it to. The training, specialized jigs and test equipment, and software aren't cheap and not every dealer makes the investment. I know that if I send an S6, for instance, to the local Trimble shop they're going to hook it up to the PC and run all the computer diagnostics.

Someone who doesn't have that training and equipment or who doesn't support your brand of instrument can't do much - if anything - more than you could do yourself.


 
Posted : January 23, 2017 4:03 pm

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There is constant cleaning and checking of my instruments on a near daily basis.
The older instruments are straight forward in calibrating similar to that of an antique transit.
These new generation instruments are far from being straight forward and the alignment starts and goes back to the accurate assembly of the main internal components.
I do not even take the covers off of anything any more.
I send my instruments in when it is apparent they need to be internally cleaned and lubricated properly.
Being outdoors and used in the heat, cold, dust and mist and in the glaring sunlight does it own wear and tear on fine instruments.


 
Posted : January 23, 2017 7:21 pm
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I sent my Leica robot to the local Leica dealer because I thought it was a bit sloppy on the vertical angles and because, well, you're not a good surveyor if you don't send in your gun once in a while.

Got a call, they said everything was within spec, no repairs needed, and as soon as I sent 'em a check for $550.00, they'd ship it back. I'm now of the if-it-ain't-obviously-broke-I'm-not-fixin'-it school of thought.


 
Posted : January 24, 2017 6:24 am
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There are 3 baselines within a 20 mile radius of downtown Portland. So no problem there. Nevertheless I once set up a temporary or provisional baseline on a straight stretch of road just outside my office. Read it with 3 instruments just after they had returned from a trip to the real baseline.

I have felt the need since the time we discovered one of our instruments was consistently reading 0.04' off and we didn't discover the fact for some time.

In Oklahoma there are 2 baselines. The one near Tulsa is overgrown. I doubt anybody has attempted to use it in 20 years, judging by the growth. There is another on Fort Sill (near Lawton). It's inside a controlled area. I never made it down there and never met anybody who did. Therefore I can't be sure that it is intact.

Nevertheless, if you set a few points near your office to check your instrument on, and it checks, do you really need to send it into the service department? As far as tribrachs go I trust myself to do that. It's a finicky job, but totally do-able. And once a year is not enough. Monthly at least. Unless you are cool with using out of adjustment equipment for 364 days.


 
Posted : January 24, 2017 8:35 am
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I have my total stations calibrated by factory service facilities yearly and include the calibration information/certificates in all my monitoring proposals and reports.


 
Posted : January 24, 2017 8:59 am
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I like most of your comments! I have been in the business for over 40 years, half of which I was "that" service technician. I can tell you that a lot more goes into a cleaning and calibration than rubbing q-tips all over the instrument and calling it good. It normally takes a good tech. 6 to 8 hrs to properly clean a Trimble s-series instrument and calibrate it to better than factory specifications call for. A lot depends on the type of conditions your guns are used in. Dusty, dry, humid, wet or freezing. All can create problems if not properly cared for when storing your instrument for the evening. If your gun is used 2x a week then it isn't unreasonable to go a few years before servicing if your brand doesn't depend on internal batteries to keep it going. if like a lot of companies use your instruments 3 to 5 or more days a week, then go with the manufactures recommendations or check with a qualified repair center for the conditions you work in. I believe that every one should be taught the proper procedures on how to adjust and in what order to adjust your particular brand. Most service centers should be more than happy to walk you through the adjustment procedure for the brand they sell. We do not charge our clients for this as it helps keep them working and productive.


 
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