Reviewing surveys this morning. Doesn??t even have the correct county in the filing/recording block??.not an infrequent occurrence with this outfit??. Smdh?ÿ
If you notify them by e-mail be sure to copy the Board Secretary each time.
"Monument not recovered this survey" which means they are assuming it is still in the same place where they slapped a state plane coordinate on it at some point in the past.?ÿ Then a corner report is filed as if it had, in fact, been recovered while doing the survey.?ÿ The statement on the survey plat and the action of filing a corner report are 100 percent contradictory.
Boundry survey
cematary
Does not effect
strait line
Seciton 9
?ÿPrinciple Merdan
Southe or Northe
Containing an area of _______ acres. (No numbers, just empty spaces, no underline)
Conducted April 14, 2220
When I was working for the local county reviewing maps I would not review the entire map at once, instead I would send the map back when I found to the first error. They would resubmit, and when I found the next error I would send it back.?ÿ This would go on for a few submittals until they figured out what I was doing. After that there were far less mistakes on their maps. One firm in particular though it was my job to completely redline their (poorly drafted) maps so they could just hand it off to their drafting person to correct.?ÿ
A recent booboo was labeling a curve as being to the left when it was to the right.?ÿ Two descriptions.?ÿ Both had the same error.
If it can happen, it will, sooner or later.
One firm in particular though it was my job to completely redline their (poorly drafted) maps so they could just hand it off to their drafting person to correct.?ÿ
I've talked to surveyors that had this view.?ÿ They wouldn't necessarily turn in a sloppy map, but at the same time they had no problem letting the reviewer 'do what they're paid to do'.?ÿ
@holy-cow?ÿ I saw one where the surveyor's name was spelled incorrectly, but since he didn't believe in checking anything, there it was for all to see.?ÿ
I've only been in the position of reviewing the work products of others for the last couple of years. My attitude has been that if minor things like spelling mistakes do not materially affect the purpose of the document I can let it stand. It seems to me that such things will inform the surveyors of the future of the degree of care and attention that went into the survey, in general, far better than I could with any direct comment.
In any case, after I review records of survey and plats they get reviewed by the County Surveyors staff. They do not share my opinion about what is and isn't trivial.?ÿ
If the description and the drawing disagree, they automatically get a call.?ÿ They appreciate that quick alert to what will be a problem if the paperwork is about to get recorded WITH the egregious error.?ÿ The error is most commonly found in the description.?ÿ One fairly common error involves the case of a POC and a POB.?ÿ They commence at the POC and list all the calls but neglect to indicate where the POB begins the tract being created.?ÿ I made that mistake ONE time.?ÿ One time too many to suit my own standards.
I will admit to filing a survey with "Principle" instead of "Principal". The survey in question was drafted by me, reviewed by another PLS in our office, sent to the County for review, sent to the Examining Land Surveyor for review, and then subsequently filed. Not a single person caught the improper usage of the word.
I discovered the mistake several months later when I downloaded a copy of the filed survey from the county's website for an adjacent project. Needless to say, I was less than happy with my mistake. I take spelling and grammar very seriously. I can tell you I won't make that same mistake again, but I cannot guarantee that I won't make other mistakes. I just hope that if I do, another Professional is professional enough to politely inform me of the mistake.
The first thing I do is check closure. If the boundary doesn't close I "suspend" further review until I get a closed boundary plat.?ÿ
I do redline spelling and grammatical errors (those that I recognize anyway) as I think it reflects poorly on the profession to record such errors.?ÿ
My goal is to elevate the profession, my job is to require compliance with state statutes and local regulations and requirements.
There are little things that I let slide as the injury is so minor.?ÿ Pointing out a blunder is awkward, but, at least, the signing surveyor understands fully why they are being notified.?ÿ No one wants to record crap for the whole world to see for centuries.
There are a couple of reviewers who take pride in demanding many things that have nothing to do with proper procedure.?ÿ They simply want the final plat to look identical to the way they would do it, if it was their own plat.?ÿ That's a load of BS and I have told them so.
@holy-cow Some individual styles makes me cringe, but each can define their own style. I refrain from commenting on anything other than statute and local requirements.?ÿ
I completed and had filed a Parcel Map without the "...in the State of California" phrase in the subtitle.
Found out decades later it wasn't required!
?ÿI do redline spelling and grammatical errors (those that I recognize anyway) as I think it reflects poorly on the profession to record such errors.?ÿ
And this matters.?ÿ ?ÿAnd it is good practice.?ÿ But like stated above by Hi-Staker, spell check doesn't tell you Principal versus Principle.
When I reviewed USACE documents for the environmental science work I did, we'd sit in a group and proof read all the sections of these gargantuan 3000 page behemoth 3 ring binder reports, never reading out our own work. Every single time we found the minor things that we never saw personally as errors.
One set of eyes isn't as good as two for the final deliverable and spell checker is a harsh mistress, because 'the the' is spelled correctly.?ÿ
Maybe I can start up a grammar wrong or duplicate word search side gig, build more strength in survey office skills and provide a valuable service for over worked understaffed and under appreciated surveyors.?ÿ
Hmmmm
Probably not.?ÿ If you use the tools available and just have the Newby excited about getting their first job out of college survey grad read through it, they'll probably find all sorts of stuff with their fresh view of the process.
IDK.
When I was working for a firm that was Town Engineers for several small towns and would review the submissions (this was before CAD) every submittal from this one firm would have the same spelling errors on the detail sheets, these were when you had a Master mylar, would run a mylar copy and add the title block info and cross out the non applicable details. You would think that at some point someone would get the hint and go fix the original. Now on the other end of that issue, one of the places that I worked later had a detail sheet in CAD and we'd just copy it into the project and delete the non applicable ones and add in any that were needed, there were standard notes one of which referred to tree sizes and addressed the trunk caliper, but it was spelled "truck" I would always call it out for correction (I was the checker, not the drafter, so I didn't even know where the drawing was stored or I'd have fixed it myself) well I'd figured that it would dawn on someone to fix the original, but it never happened until a city planner caught it and pointed it out in a meeting with the bosses. After that every submittal was run through the business manager for spelling and grammar, like has been stated I'm all for as many eyes on these things as reasonably possible, everyone is going to find something different that needs addressing.
I have been in a position to review both City and County plats over the years and always kept my comments to the information required by the City/County and State code.?ÿ After those comments I would look for typos and legibility.?ÿ Over time you find out which firms to clean consistent work and which firms have zero QA/QC.
You might want to try this tool.?ÿ The free on-line tool does 500 words at a time with lots of checks.?ÿ More checks if you buy. It's really intended for essays, fiction, and publications but probably could be of value for survey narratives.
