Hey, at least the note said it wasn't held.
I see a lot of surveys around here that note a monument is "off" from "calc", but don't note whether it was held or not, and half the time when we recover that same mon it matches their dimensions within a couple hundredths...???
I honestly cannot understand the aversion to simply showing record vs measured dimensions rather than trying to translate/rotate to calculated points. It's not only easier for the retracting surveyor to follow what you did, it's also just easier, period.
brassie equals a shiner likely...
My guess is brass disk. But like yours, it is just a guess.
I honestly cannot understand the aversion to simply showing record vs measured dimensions rather than trying to translate/rotate to calculated points.
I think it's mainly because of people that can't fathom how to resolve a boundary that isn't derived from perfect record relationships.
There are plenty of folks that say it all fit record within X, so I'm calling it as record (and accept all found monuments)... I'd rather see that than instances like this where I can basically guarantee their error ellipses are larger than the distances they're calling the monument(s) off for...
Fd 5/8" bar, with Kent McMillan cap, Brs S89°16'13.205"E 0.001' <Did not accept>
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Nate
I think it's mainly because of people that can't fathom how to resolve a boundary that isn't derived from perfect record relationships.
There are plenty of folks that say it all fit record within X, so I'm calling it as record (and accept all found monuments)... I'd rather see that than instances like this where I can basically guarantee their error ellipses are larger than the distances they're calling the monument(s) off for...
I recently did one of those, I found all the original monuments around two adjacent tracts during a BLA and they fit so closely to record that I simply used record. I didn't mention how close I matched them, but nothing varied more than .03' from record (clearly I could have been "off" that much).
And that was in big timber following a conventional survey.
I'm more used to it following recent GPS surveys, those are normally scale factors and tiny CORS movements that you might deal with.
"Brassie" around here usually means a brass monument, just set in the surface of the pavement, usually of the 2-1/2" domed variety. They are often used for centerline or centerline-offset control within older subdivisions.
Unfortunately, in part because they are almost never cased, they get destroyed all the time during utilities projects, often by city crews...
@steinhoff
What the heck is a brassie. Strike Three, He's out.
Actually I think he was out all of the time. The CAD Tech is doing all of the Surveying and the Principal is just signing Paper.
I'm glad they changed the laws in Idaho to stop this type of thing. If you don't accept a mon you are required to contact the other party(s) and resolve the issue. There's more to it than that you get the point.
That would be great; if we knew who set some of these "things"
I heard a horror story, about the Mayor of Pacific; he made a mark, in several intersections, with a piece of chalk, and had a city crew set monuments... That's right, this guy had zero knowledge of what these represented; he just knew that these intersections were missing their "Brassies"!
brassie
noun
Historic boundaries and conservation efforts.
No idea what that is either.
Shiners:
https://www.berntsen.com/Surveying/Survey-Nails-Survey-Washers/Survey-Washers
https://www.stakemill.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=76_207
Haven't heard the term "shiner" around here much at all. It was common to hear in Texas...
No idea what that is either.
In my world a "shiner" is a round piece of tin plate about and inch and a half in diameter that is typically set together with a mag nail.
Those things that Rover83 linked are "washers". A similar, but distinctly different, thing - to me.
Shiners are one step up from pop and beer bottle caps with some sort of nail driven through them. Typically used to faciitate finding a reference nail that was set somewhere to help find a monument.
That is: ENE 41.3 feet to nail and shiner in wood corner post
That is: ENE 41.3 feet to nail and shiner in wood corner post
What's ENE?
I kid. Please don't shoot.
Obviously that person has never contemplated error ellipses.
@steinhoff
That would be East Northeast from a mariner's compass points.
Historic boundaries and conservation efforts.
This is about like having 3 monuments say a 5/8” rebars all along a line. And when one retraces them the deed or plat shows all the same bearing and the retracing surveyor changes the bearings on each section if you held each end or any couple in the middle they would not be any way they would be off the rebars. Just say they are on line. I am resolving one now 5 1 1/4 inch pipes and my expert measurements lol say they are on the same line I couldn’t squeeze a fingernail between my measured and just letting them all be on line. But if i had to change everything i would have seconds in bearing changes all along that long line with all those pipes set before i was even thought of. I was not even born. One is a tenth off line depending on where i start my cad line Geezers i am not reinventing the wheel. Its good to me i just show the boss and explain and he is like it’s online. Yeppers.
This is a picture of a Brassie from today. These were the centerline monuments that were originally set flush with the road at the time of the subdivision. About 5 years ago the road got repaved and they thought they had a great idea by saw cutting the brassie, installing a case and throwing it back in. So close yet so far away…