JaRo, post: 429452, member: 292 wrote: Thank you for a very well written paper.
Let us know if the black helicopters start circling, we will arrange a protection detail. 🙂
James
Thank you! Skies clear so far. Will advise.
Henry
paden cash, post: 429497, member: 20 wrote: Since the post has devolved I'll add a credit card story here:
A fellow surveyor, good friend of mine and relative by marriage had a grandmother named Mae Axton. "Grandma" was a powerhouse in the Nashville music scene and (among other accomplishments) co-wrote the Elvis Presley hit "Heartbreak Hotel". Mae was a social butterfly in the entertainment industry and hob-knobbed with the best all over the country.
Around here in Oklahoma (maybe elsewhere) was a small string of gas stations named "CURT'S".
In the early sixties when credit cards became popular Curt's Oil Company handed out a very few credit cards for their stations. I believe they were only for company execs, but none-the-less Mae wound up with one (I believe she was a major stockholder actually). One of her more humorous gags was to dine at internationally known restaurants in far away places like NYC or LA that displayed the sign "ALL MAJOR CREDIT CARDS ACCEPTED"....and attempt to pay the tab with her CURT'S credit card.
She enjoyed explaining that possessing a Curt's credit card was a "pretty big deal" where she was from... 😉
Wasn't she Hoyt Axton's mother? He wrote quite a few hits too.
Glenn Breysacher, post: 430390, member: 188 wrote: Wasn't she Hoyt Axton's mother? He wrote quite a few hits too.
Mae was indeed Hoyt's mother, or "Momma" as he called her. She was also "Momma" to Johnny, Hoyt's brother. Sadly, all three are gone nowadays.
Song writers are known for admiring other writer's works. Paul Simon once noted he wished he had written Randy Newman's song "Sail Away". If Uncle Hoyt was still with us he would probably say the same about Paul Simon's song "The Boxer".
If you listen to Simon's lyrics there's a lot of "Hoyt" in there. Hoyt was also a boxer in the Navy.
Earlier this month, the court approved a settlement between the BLM and the plaintiffs in the Aderholt et al. case, in which it was agreed that the boundary between Texas and Oklahoma would be determined as described in the 1923 Supreme Court decision, and that recent resurveys by the BLM would be cancelled, and maps describing it would carry disclaimers.
?ÿ?ÿ?ÿ?ÿ?ÿ?ÿ?ÿ?ÿ?ÿ?ÿ?ÿ The settlement agreement may be found at https://www.texaspolicy.com/content/detail/settlement-agreement-in-blm-red-river-case .
?ÿThe order granting approval of the joint motion for settlement is at
?ÿ https://www.texaspolicy.com/content/detail/order-granting-settlement-agreement-in-blm-red-river-case .
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Best wishes to all,
Henry
And so it goes.?ÿ The north boundary of Texas and the South boundary of Oklahoma have been in litigation since someone created the boundary.?ÿ One might be hood-winked into a false sense of "it's over", but I think probably not...only an inhalation in preparation for the next round of suits.
I'm actually glad the 'recent' BLM survey was rescinded.?ÿ It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see that a boundary marker almost a mile from the river didn't make a whole lot of sense.?ÿ
Like most other Oklahoma surveyors I avoid working down there like the plague, but I do like to read up on the 'latest'.?ÿ Thanks for posting the links.
WHEREAS, BLM has now suspended these three surveys (hereinafter the "Suspended Surveys") based on its belief that "the survey methodology used was in error," because the surveyor failed to account for the doctrines of erosion, accretion, and avulsion; ECF No. 168-1 at 1;
Doesn't a BLM Surveyor follow the Instructions handed to him?
The Settlement is just BLM suspending their Surveys.?ÿ It sets everything back to square one.?ÿ BLM can do an actual survey of the current gradient boundary but maybe the chances of that are slim.?ÿ After they determine the present gradient boundary (and maybe where it avulsed since 1923) then there will be protracted litigation nitpicking over every last thing.
Then say that gets done and resolved after 5 or 10 years but by then the boundary will have moved again LOL.?ÿ Lather, rinse, repeat.
Thank you Henry for keeping us updated.
Here is an article about the settlement that gives an outsiders perspective.
https://agrilife.org/texasaglaw/2017/11/27/parties-settle-red-river-dispute/
James
And thank you, James, for the link to that cogent explanation of potential future litigation.
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Cheers,
Henry
Well, they reached a settlement.
https://www.texastribune.org/2017/11/08/texas-red-river-land-lawsuit-ends-settlement/
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Davey Edwards has started a blog and his first post was a report of his findings on the Red River boundary dispute.
Don't worry Tennessee we haven't forgot. SR-794 was on the house rules calendar today.
Interesting blog. One thing to be remembered though, is that the conflict between Texas and the federal government and Oklahoma is controlled by federal law, not Texas law as in the case of the Prairrie Dog Fork.
?ÿIn the news again - Trump is willing to pay...
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?ÿIn the news again - Trump is willing to pay...
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Hehe, hope they got enough guys to get that shot,,,,need that bipod to get nice and plumb over that chunk of dirt.
I don't think a Million Dollars is nearly enough.
?ÿI always love it when lay people tell the news how correct surveys are done, and how the previous surveyors were "incompetent". No wonder they need a million dollars.
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I'd say that they could not get that shot today, the Red River is rolling'
I'd say that they could not get that shot today, the Red River is rolling'
From the article:?ÿ "...Henneke acknowledged the survey will only be accurate until the river changes course again.?ÿ ??I don??t know what the point is,? he said..."
El Rio Roxo is moving and shaking today, just like it has for a millennium. And going wherever it desires.
"'An accurate gradient boundary survey along the entire 116-mile stretch of the Red River is the best, legally defensible way to move this issue forward to help settle it once and for all,' the Republican from Clarendon said."
That's just thing, it can't be settled once and for all, next time the river moves it'll be unsettled again.
May as well hire the three stooges and make this guy their ringleader. Hey Moe, Hey Larry,?ÿ
