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paden cash, post: 423697, member: 20 wrote: I think I understand what you're saying...it's just an 'alternative' reversal..

Think of a correction as merely supplying a missing ingredient whereas a reversal involves rethinking the entire premise of one's endeavor.


 
Posted : April 15, 2017 10:56 pm
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Some of you already know that I'm a student of surveying, and don't practice it. This past semester I took a course in real property law, and had to cast around a little to find a topic for a required research paper that would involve more surveying than real estate law. Thanks to this thread and this forum, I was allowed to write about Aderholt et al. v. BLM et al., and had a fine time with it. I didn't quote or plagiarize any of you, but I did take advantage of a few of the case citations here. As others have said, this site is a treasury. Many thanks!

Cheers,
Henry


 
Posted : May 20, 2017 11:10 pm
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m & h taylor, post: 429285, member: 239 wrote: Some of you already know that I'm a student of surveying, and don't practice it. This past semester I took a course in real property law, and had to cast around a little to find a topic for a required research paper that would involve more surveying than real estate law. Thanks to this thread and this forum, I was allowed to write about Aderholt et al. v. BLM et al., and had a fine time with it. I didn't quote or plagiarize any of you, but I did take advantage of a few of the case citations here. As others have said, this site is a treasury. Many thanks!

Cheers,
Henry

I am sure many here would enjoy an opportunity to read what you did say.
post a link...............


 
Posted : May 21, 2017 12:08 am
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A Harris, post: 429287, member: 81 wrote: I am sure many here would enjoy an opportunity to read what you did say.
post a link...............

A flattering thought. However, I haven't got a place to put it up, being moderately paranoid about scribd. Write me at [email protected] and I can send a Word doc (482 kb) or a pdf (603 kb)


 
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Not that you must post it, but you can attach a PDF file to any post. Just click the "Upload a File" button.


 
Posted : May 21, 2017 8:44 pm

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Gene Kooper, post: 429372, member: 9850 wrote: Not that you must post it, but you can attach a PDF file to any post. Just click the "Upload a File" button.

Thanks! You'd think I might have seen that button. Here it is.

Attached files

BLM and Texas.pdf (588.7 KB) 


 
Posted : May 21, 2017 9:38 pm
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m & h taylor, post: 429375, member: 239 wrote: Thanks! You'd think I might have seen that button. Here it is.

Okay, that's pretty good, but the editors at "Oklahoma Law Review" have suggested some variations that they feel certain will be of more general interest to readership:

AS SUBMITTED:

This paper will attempt to assess the truth of the following statement, which is at the center of a trial scheduled at this writing to begin July 24, 2017. The U. S. Bureau of Land Management, in its recent resurveys of land along the south side of the Red River in Texas, is engaged in a misguided if not illegal attempt to adjust boundaries between public and private land that have already been legally established.

PLEASE CONSIDER:

I had barely gotten my car started in the motel parking lot when a gal I'll call "Nadine" told me that there was a much bigger story in play than the penny-ante agribusiness squibb that my editor at "National Harvester Weekly" had sent me to the desolate country along the Red River between Oklahoma and Texas to write.

You know," Nadine said, "Them Okies is trying to steal a strip off Texas." Let me just say that I have too much respect for women to comment upon the tank top that Nadine had slipped on for the day's exertions on behalf of "National Harvester". Well, maybe it did figure briefly into my attention at the Chevron station where we had bought a sack of breakfast tacos that were not so good that I had given up on questioning my life choices to date or wondering if I'd used my real name when I registered at the motel the night before.


 
Posted : May 21, 2017 10:13 pm
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By the second taco, I was pretty sure that as far as the South Asian management of the Red River Travelodge were concerned, I was S. Miller Williams. or at least until checkout time. Evidently the mismatch of the name on the credit card didn't bother them because I didn't recall hearing anything about it.


 
Posted : May 21, 2017 10:39 pm
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Kent McMillan, post: 429379, member: 3 wrote: By the second taco, I was pretty sure that as far as the South Asian management of the Red River Travelodge were concerned, I was S. Miller Williams. or at least until checkout time. Evidently the mismatch of the name on the credit card didn't bother them because I didn't recall hearing anything about it.

You used a credit card at the Red River Travelodge? I thought they only accepted cash.


 
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Dave Karoly, post: 429381, member: 94 wrote: You used a credit card at the Red River Travelodge? I thought they only accepted cash.

The managers were practical people for whom names were merely a formality like some unseen face of a lesser god, and the practical test of whether the charges went through was all that mattered. Having done a few pieces for "National Harvester", I could understand that.


 
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Do we have another "Survey Noir" in he making here?


 
Posted : May 22, 2017 8:39 am
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m & h taylor, post: 429375, member: 239 wrote: Thanks! You'd think I might have seen that button. Here it is.

Very well written paper.


 
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Thank you for a very well written paper.

Let us know if the black helicopters start circling, we will arrange a protection detail. 🙂

James


 
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Kent!

You fellows over there at National Harvester need to ask yourselves if you arenƒ??t spreading yourselves too thin, and Iƒ??m not talking about somebodyƒ??s tank top. Youƒ??re weekly, for mercyƒ??s sake. Itƒ??s no wonder you have to leap at the mingiest bait, and Iƒ??m still not talking about tank tops. Me, now, I work for Poultry, which comes out when it feels like it. Itƒ??s been years since I did my big piece there about the application of grill marks to skinless chicken breasts, and this time I am really not kidding when I say Iƒ??m not talking about ƒ?? never mind.

Cheers,
Henry


 
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Dave Karoly, post: 429381, member: 94 wrote: You used a credit card at the Red River Travelodge? I thought they only accepted cash.


 
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Since the post has devolved I'll add a credit card story here:

A fellow surveyor, good friend of mine and relative by marriage had a grandmother named Mae Axton. "Grandma" was a powerhouse in the Nashville music scene and (among other accomplishments) co-wrote the Elvis Presley hit "Heartbreak Hotel". Mae was a social butterfly in the entertainment industry and hob-knobbed with the best all over the country.

Around here in Oklahoma (maybe elsewhere) was a small string of gas stations named "CURT'S".

In the early sixties when credit cards became popular Curt's Oil Company handed out a very few credit cards for their stations. I believe they were only for company execs, but none-the-less Mae wound up with one (I believe she was a major stockholder actually). One of her more humorous gags was to dine at internationally known restaurants in far away places like NYC or LA that displayed the sign "ALL MAJOR CREDIT CARDS ACCEPTED"....and attempt to pay the tab with her CURT'S credit card.

She enjoyed explaining that possessing a Curt's credit card was a "pretty big deal" where she was from... 😉


 
Posted : May 22, 2017 3:31 pm
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I found a stone set in 1870 today. Pictures in new thread later (film at 11).


 
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Bill93, post: 429407, member: 87 wrote: Do we have another "Survey Noir" in he making here?

It's off to a good start and I am not bothered in the least about mentioning yet another motel under South Asian management. Based upon my experiences in recent excursions to the Texas side of Red River country. it may well be that they all are if not a part of some corporate chain. Those are, I assume, owned by organized crime.


 
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Kent McMillan, post: 429384, member: 3 wrote: The managers were practical people for whom names were merely a formality like some unseen face of a lesser god, and the practical test of whether the charges went through was all that mattered. Having done a few pieces for "National Harvester", I could understand that.

I looked over that second taco at Nadine and weighed the chances that yet another few tens of inches of print on the economics of irrigated hay farming would get me that by-line with a photo faster than a piece with real color that would appeal to readers more than critics.

"Okay," I said, "tell me what you know about this one and let's see where it goes."

"Well, you probably wouldn't guess this, but I grew up on a farm on the bank of the Red River just about fifteen miles northeast of here. It feels like the Middle of Nowhere when you're there." "Until you see Oklahoma, or East Texas, of course," she added.


 
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Kris Morgan, post: 429413, member: 29 wrote: Very well written paper.

Thanks very much; I appreciate that.

Henry


 
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