This is one of my huge pet peeves... Using only symbols instead of labeling the individual corners. How in the HECK is one supposed to tell the difference between an open circle "EXISTING IRON FOUND" and a open circle with a dot "END OF LINE/CURVE NOTHING FOUND, NOTHING SET" when they don't clip/mask the line work? They recite the record bearings from the 1920's exactly, so I guess it's not much of an issue, but this just hacked me off something fierce.
Also, why is somebody reciting square footage to 2 decimal places of a square foot, while also reciting acreage to 2 decimal places. This is in an incorporated jurisdiction, so it should be a minimum of 3 decimal places for the acreage. The square footage is a little off a perfect 10,000 SQ. FT. because the lots are 0°01'00" from being perfectly square... grrrrrrr.....
Disclaimer: This is NOT one of my plats. But, it is of public record and available online, but I have chosen not to "plat shame" the company that did it. It has been altered slightly to try to strip out any local uniqueness that may have been noticeable.
I hear ya. Amateurs.
I hate to be the one to tell you!!
But reading minds must be part of the job description as a surveyor. TOO many times we are left to our own devices and if surveyors can't simplify things, you can forget about trying to understand plans from PE's or RLA's. I am going through that now so I feel your pain.
I never use corner monument legends. Spell it out on the drawing and flag it if necessary
[sarcasm]That is what you get for $300.[/sarcasm]
The first thing I noticed was the square feet quoted to two decimal places.
I don't like lines running thru text.
From what the symbols are and how they appear, I can't tell if there are any monuments in place.
All I can see is that none were set.
In the late 70s a local company was spitting those out at 8 a day at $90 each and never used anything except a cloth tape.
What they do in these parts is: (a) found bla bla bla monument; (b) found other bla bla bla monument; (s) set 5/8" rebar with OPC RLS #30354. Just put the note in the legend, then the "(a)" next to it and the corner on the drawing. It does not clutter your drawing and life is better.
Why make it complicated??
I also try to stay away from linetypes with circles. The "board" fence (wood?, plastic?) linetype circles resembles the symbols of monuments, this leaves confusion when a survey gets congested. Plus it does not make sense to have the symbol for surveyed line, then have a symbol for no corner found or set. If its a Survey set corners, and if not possible to set original corner, use witness monuments. Many symbols and abbreviations not added to the legend. Porch text floating, no adjoining property info. Looks Great!
As mentioned above, the fence looks like a bunch of found corners.
Is "found iron" an acceptable description in your neck of the woods? Our MTS requires size (1/2", 5/8", etc.), type (rebar, open pipe, pinched pipe, etc.), and cap number if any. Having a good description is supporting evidence when trying to show that you likely relied on the same "iron" as the guy before you.
> As mentioned above, the fence looks like a bunch of found corners.
That bothered me, but not as much as the other things.
> Is "found iron" an acceptable description in your neck of the woods? Our MTS requires size (1/2", 5/8", etc.), type (rebar, open pipe, pinched pipe, etc.), and cap number if any. Having a good description is supporting evidence when trying to show that you likely relied on the same "iron" as the guy before you.
Yes, ROD FOUND, PIPE FOUND, AXLE FOUND, ROD SET, PIPE SET, etc. are all typical descriptions found in this area. Size is not required. I don't have a problem with that, it just kinda goes along with local knowledge. I typically do a legend/abbreviation listing (shown below). On some plats, I will list my PS as " 3/4" PIPE SET " but not every time... as I should. We're also not a capping/tagging state (Commonwealth of VA)
Carl
I feel much as you do... plats need to be readable. I think I will contact surveyors that leave fuzzy symbols, and ask what they found, or set.
Or simply go over and put cat urine in their ac intake, and let them figure out why!
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N
What exactly does the note "lines hereby vacated" insinuate? Very scary stuff to this hombre' who just wants to know WTF you did.
Last I checked, the only people that can vacate anything is the fee holder. And then there must be a grantee. Certainly not some surveyor. Deeds transfer property, surveyors just define the whereabouts.
Spooky stuff IMO
If that was a portion of a plat in Maryland, off screen you'd see the owners certification and signature stating that they assent to the plan shown. Same for any lien holder.
> What exactly does the note "lines hereby vacated" insinuate? Very scary stuff to this hombre' who just wants to know WTF you did.
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> Last I checked, the only people that can vacate anything is the fee holder. And then there must be a grantee. Certainly not some surveyor. Deeds transfer property, surveyors just define the whereabouts.
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> Spooky stuff IMO
In this case, one owner owns all 3 parcels by the same deed and called out as individual parcels within said deed. The interior parcel lines were vacated at the request of the owner and then reviewed and approved by the jurisdiction that it falls in. The plat was then recorded and the 3 parcels become one in the eyes of the county and the next time the property is transferred it refers to the plat and the deed. This is pretty typical stuff in my neck of the woods.
Carl
> If that was a portion of a plat in Maryland, off screen you'd see the owners certification and signature stating that they assent to the plan shown. Same for any lien holder.
EXACTLY. It is only a portion of my plat to show what my abbreviations and corner labeling look like
Well that sums it up Carl. Thanks for the clarification to what I consider a potential very slippery slope in the title world of land transfers. I'm well aware of regional and state differences in certain procedures and laws, but sometimes I do get spooked and end up with a WTF reaction.
cheers
w
> Well that sums it up Carl. Thanks for the clarification to what I consider a potential very slippery slope in the title world of land transfers. I'm well aware of regional and state differences in certain procedures and laws, but sometimes I do get spooked and end up with a WTF reaction.
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> cheers
> w
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Nate: If you have jugs of that stuff setting around, I want to know the process you have for collecting and jugfilling operations.
Now, all that comes to mind is a small cage, a male cat, and a bowl of milk, sitting on the front side of the windshield. But, now that you mention it, BOBCAT urine sells for around 40-50 bucks a gallon. Collection methods include trapping said animal, caging it, with a sheet metal piece under the cage, with a drain into a container. I learned this from big help, who learned it from a local trapper. So, I'd guess that a similar collection method would work for domestic cats. Now as to quality control, would you like a small bottle of cat pee?
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N
Carl,
I agree on the pet peeve for filled and open symbols for found and set. The problem gets worse with poor copies. In my experience, the engineering firms like this to save drafting time. The CAD guy can block in the boundary and symbols and not have to worry about the text position and rotations.
I have seen many strip mall division plats with open symbol found boundary corners and filled symbols for out-parcels and nary a single set monument on the ground.
Sometimes a surveyor should become a draftsman when you get back to the office. The plan is nice but it contains too much information.
It feels cluttered because of all the texts. This is where symbols and color hatches would help in defining the different kinds
of surface or elements.
