Padens last post is so poignant.
I did many police, forensic surveys in my early days and as Paden says you have to get the terminology correct.
When theres outlines, marks where bodies have been, and bloodstained areas, bullet holes in walls and windows...
All rather sobering.
squowse, post: 453724, member: 7109 wrote: murder trial presumably?
Negative - the victim survived the axe attack.
The prosecution was for 'Grievous Bodily Harm With Intent to Injure'
Set on line at proportioned distance
LB
Remember the surveyors who worked over a wide swath of east Texas and Louisiana when the shuttle did not return correctly.
I haven't obtained my PLS yet (working on it), but one of the funniest notes I've ever seen on a ROS was describing the equipment used: "Brass dowsing rods, a broken 300-foot chain, and a keen sense of direction by the old-time surveyor were used..." I should note that the surveyor who recorded this survey, is legendary in this neck of the woods for his excellent work. He put the note on the ROS because he intended it to be his last ROS before he retired his license-
The only superior evidence is that which you haven't yet found.
A comment about the horrendous driving habits of residents along Alfalfa Market Road and the Powell Butte Highway:
lmbrls, post: 453690, member: 6823 wrote: "Corner not set due to a large bumble bee nest.". Maybe I should have put "Large Bumble Bee Nest Found -(3' Dia - ? Deep)". There would be no mistake about finding the corner.
I had a corner not recovered due to being located under a blooming honeysuckle covered in wasps. We walked up to it, saw one wasp attack another and backed away.
Had to add this to a minor subdivision survey for town approval:
"Note: The Lots(s) created in this document are adjacent to property that as of the date of this document, is being used for agricultural purposes. Some individuals believe that activities associated with the agricultural use constitute a nuisance or conflict with their quiet enjoyment of the lots(s). This note is intended to provide third parties with notice that these agricultural activities may exist on the adjacent property."
Jeez.
[USER=3579]@spledeus[/USER] that reminds me of a recent rural job where I found an old stone pile that had been converted into a huge Jackjumper's nest (aggressive ants with an equally aggressive bite).
Being an isolated mark I felt obliged to drive in an iron rod and observe.
Thumping in the rod sent them ballistic and I only had GPS not TS so it wasn't about to be a stand back and hold the prism on the top and 2 seconds and we were out.
I waited hoping they'd quieten down which they didn't so whilst I held the pole my offsider watched the ascending ants.
I got 2 quickish 'static' shots and was gone!
That's on my to do jobs to document and send off but it will have an explanation of old mark found and its accompanying attributes.
Mike Berry, post: 453767, member: 123 wrote: A comment about the horrendous driving habits of residents along Alfalfa Market Road and the Powell Butte Highway:
I'm stealing that note with a few minor edits to the road names.
Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.
ontarget1, post: 453780, member: 9989 wrote: "Note: The Lots(s) created in this document are adjacent to property that as of the date of this document, is being used for agricultural purposes.
In our county code land divisions in rural areas are required to record what's referred to as a "Farm and Forest Management Waiver". It is a requirement in findings and decisions of land use approvals in farm/forest lands as shown below. It was put in as a stop gap to lawsuits against the County and the developers from well heeled urbanites with more money than sense who buy rural properties and then one fine morning lose their $hit when a combine fires up in the pristine field on the other side of the quaint barbed wire fence or the scream of chain saws at dawn in the woods just beyond the new stables startle the $40,000 Thoroughbred horses.
These documents usually read something like:
The Grantors, his heirs, successors, and assigns hereby acknowledges by the granting of this easement that the above-described property is situated in a designated farm zone in Deschutes County, Oregon, and may be subjected to conditions resulting from farming or forest practices on adjacent lands. Such operations include management and harvesting of timber, disposal of slash, reforestation, application of chemicals, road construction and maintenance, by raising, harvesting and selling crops or by the feeding, breeding, management and sale of, or the produce of, livestock, poultry, fur-bearing animals or honeybees or for dairying and the sale of dairy products or any other agricultural or horticultural use or animal husbandry or any combination thereof, and other accepted and customary farm and forest management activities conducted in accordance with Federal and State Laws. Such farm or forest management activities ordinarily and necessarily produce noise, dust, smoke, and other conditions that may conflict with Grantor's use of Grantor's property for residential purposes. Grantors hereby waive all common law rights to object to normal, non-negligent farm and forest management activities legally conducted on adjacent lands that may conflict with Grantor's use of Grantor's property for residential purposes, and Grantors hereby gives an easement to the adjacent property owners for the resultant impact on Grantor's property caused by the farm and forest management activities on adjacent lands.
We need something like that here.
Planners are scared frigid to the place of not allowing unless extreme circumstances to create a separate title around a rural dwelling where farmers have several titles that some include dwellings and wish to dispose of such.
It's often a simple case of shrinking a title to just include the house and adding balance to other title owned by farmer.
They use the possibilty for the house owner to complain bitterly about normal farming practices.
My counter (as a long time rural lad) is I could buy a house in the suburbs and complain about the trains, the adjacent school, the churches on Sundays, the wail of sirens, the noise from the sports grounds when a match is on and a myriad of other normal town activities and sounds.
On a GDOT Right -of-Way Plan, "1205-B Outhouse-Two Holer". I was not able to find the Specification in the Design Manual.
lmbrls, post: 453690, member: 6823 wrote: "Corner not set due to a large bumble bee nest.". Maybe I should have put "Large Bumble Bee Nest Found -(3' Dia - ? Deep)". There would be no mistake about finding the corner.
I Yesterday I noted a corner not set because large dead trees were on top of its location.
in 2011 I could not access a corner in Pleasant Grove, Alabama due to debris from the April 27,2011 tornado.
A former employer noted a 1972 Chrysler Newport on his 1980's survey that apparently not moved for years since a tree was growing through it.
This is a good one hog and alligator pen. 
Mike Berry, post: 453767, member: 123 wrote: A comment about the horrendous driving habits of residents along Alfalfa Market Road and the Powell Butte Highway:
That is great.
I'm guessing the curves were so flat the PI was in the roadway?
I just completed a retracement of one lot, adjacent to a lot that had been a source of years of confusion, disputes, re-surveys, and many, many opinions. Of course, something this completely screwed up needs to be rescued by county people. A group of concerned county officials took a completely resolved and correct survey of a very complex mess, and "rescued it" to appease one landowner.
My "survey report", describing the chain of events for this one 3 acre property next to a screwed up 5 acre lot, took all the space on one 24x36 sheet. My last Note before the appearance of my certification and signature:
"One can do a lot of damage with a little knowledge".
warren ward PLS CO OK, post: 453930, member: 12536 wrote: I just completed a retracement of one lot, adjacent to a lot that had been a source of years of confusion, disputes, re-surveys, and many, many opinions. Of course, something this completely screwed up needs to be rescued by county people. A group of concerned county officials took a completely resolved and correct survey of a very complex mess, and "rescued it" to appease one landowner.
My "survey report", describing the chain of events for this one 3 acre property next to a screwed up 5 acre lot, took all the space on one 24x36 sheet. My last Note before the appearance of my certification and signature:
"One can do a lot of damage with a little knowledge".
That's classic.
A long, long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away I spent a few years writing construction contracts and specifications for our engineering brethren. Our "standard specs" included almost 800 pages; project specific specs were on top of that.
Knowing the chances that any one individual would read them in their entirety were small, I took to amusing myself by inserting Paden's wisdoms hidden within the pages. I've forgotten most of them, but I do remember a couple:
1. All that glitters is not gold unless otherwise specified by the engineer or his authorized agent.
And within the "Materials" portion (in the 'modified subgrade' chapter I think) :
2. Water for this process shall contain one oxygen and two hydrogen atoms that are connected by naturally occurring covalent bonds. This content and subsequent molecular bonding will be tested and approved at the discretion of the engineer.
And since I was responsible for producing these specs with our old buddy the WordPerfect "blue" screen, there was a digital copy that has probably been plagiarized and circulated over the last thirty years. As far as I know no one has ever read them....;)
BStrand, post: 453926, member: 13049 wrote: I'm guessing the curves were so flat the PI was in the roadway?
Yes, all 3 PIs were within a couple feet or so of centerline. We http://resources.deschutes.org/tif2pdf/?tif=matrixgisimagessurveyFolder1018806.tif&apos ;">monumented the PCs and PTs on the right-of-way, but wherever possible I like a big stout iron at the PI too. Not so on these two roads. 40 years ago you could hop scotch down the center of them if you were so inclined and not be very concerned about your mortality. One of the biggest curses of growth is the metamorphosing of sleepy country roads into NASCAR speedways...
Once managed to slip a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MD_Helicopters_MD_500&apos ;">369KHS as a line item into a corporate budget
They never did buy me the helicopter though 🙁