The convention I have followed is that when surveying a lot adjoining a subdivision drafting the lot numbers and subdivision name is sufficient, putting owner and book/pages on the map is not necessary although I look at them to make sure they are all lot/block descriptions.
The county surveyor wants owner names/instrument numbers in addition to the lot numbers. I'll acquiesce and put them on but they clutter up my map, it's a PIA moving stuff around but I'll do it.
Thanks for listening...
Are you going to ask him to stamp and sign your plan?
What is required vs. what is being asked for?
> The county surveyor wants owner names/instrument numbers in addition to the lot numbers. I'll acquiesce and put them on but they clutter up my map, it's a PIA moving stuff around but I'll do it.
Why not set the ownership data out in a table instead of trying to shoehorn it into the linework?
Nothing at all wrong with calling the adjoining lot "lot C" and referring to the table.
Property owners change as often as our underwear. Lot numbers don't.
The only rationale behind their request is that they are to lazy to look it up themselves. They have the same maps as you, often times more maps. Not to mention historical records of past ownership that may or not pertain to your survey.
Enjoy your cheese with your wine, we all feel your frustration .... 😉
> The convention I have followed is that when surveying a lot adjoining a subdivision drafting the lot numbers and subdivision name is sufficient, putting owner and book/pages on the map is not necessary although I look at them to make sure they are all lot/block descriptions.
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> The county surveyor wants owner names/instrument numbers in addition to the lot numbers. I'll acquiesce and put them on but they clutter up my map, it's a PIA moving stuff around but I'll do it.
I agree with you. Send the county surveyor an email calmly explaining your position. Then with each ROS you submit show the Lot/Block/Subdivision, and not the deed reference. Make him ask for it every time. Add it if he asks for it. Eventually he will see the error of his way and relax.
I have dealt with quite a few County Surveyors over the years. My approach is to phrase my questions and objections in a manner that appeals to the personality I am dealing with. In the end I either learn or teach something about the Code or Ordinance being discussed. I do not amend my maps to meet preference or whim.
The only value I see is that it ensures the submitting surveyor has actually looked at the deeds to see that the written title of the adjoiners is based on the lot/block descriptions. There are instances where they are not. Tell the county surveyor you've reviewed the descriptions and are satisfied that the adjoiners written titles are in harmony with the subdivision designations shown and adding the deed callouts would be superfluous.
The next time I survey in whatever county that is, I will buy you a beer or 2 to thank you if you stand your ground and save me from having to educate that thick skulled reviewer.
We do not have a plat recording requirement for individual properties.
Subdivision are usually recorded, but not all are.
Plat requirements indicate that all adjoining information is to be shown. Some surveyors show name and deed reference, some show only deed reference.
Since the late 1960s, I've learned to show name, called acreage, Tract number when noted and recording information of all tracts shown on a drawing, but that is just me.
Having it all on a drawing beats reviewing the entire file looking for a particular deed and taking all that random paperwork and reducing it down to a drawing to show it all makes sense to me.
Perhaps I've taken the role of trying to correct and fill in the blank spaces on the numerous resource maps in this area that simply do not fulfill the purpose they are intended.
Our present official in charge of the tax maps is not able to take a property description and locate or place it on a drawing.
yeah stop it. Does it really hurt anything to put the info on the map somewhere? Is it actually helpful in case of error in other data. Yeah you bet, I have found what I am looking for (more than once) in the grantor/grantee index. At least you do not have the reviewer telling you that the client has to file a quite title action because the tie to the POB is in fact 75.25' and not 75' as called for in the deed...
count yourself as lucky
What authority does your County Surveyor have to require you to do anything at all?
> The only value I see is that it ensures the submitting surveyor has actually looked at the deeds to see that the written title of the adjoiners is based on the lot/block descriptions. There are instances where they are not. Tell the county surveyor you've reviewed the descriptions and are satisfied that the adjoiners written titles are in harmony with the subdivision designations shown and adding the deed callouts would be superfluous.
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> The next time I survey in whatever county that is, I will buy you a beer or 2 to thank you if you stand your ground and save me from having to educate that thick skulled reviewer.
Not necessarily true...
In some areas you can get this info from the city or county GIS. It is that way in Portlandia. That is, both owners name and recording number of the current vesting deed are available from the city website. So you don't even have to request it from title company or county, or get a copy of the current vesting deed.
[sarcasm]What a wonderful thing this GIS and database stuff is.[/sarcasm]
I have taken to making a "Property Data" table often. This is especially true when the plat I'm making is for something that is small formalt (like 8.5x11 sheets). I'll put a P1, P2, P3, etc on the various properties and then reference them to a table on the following sheet. I've done this for monuments on my final maps as well. I've got a nice little "circle with reference" that I use in CADD and drop them next to each found monument. Then I can put a nice long description for each my my reference table either on that same page or another page. This makes it convenient for when I have multiple pages as well. The same reference can go on each page.
For the property table, I will put a map/block/lot reference, the recording book and page, a vesting deed recording number, an assessor's number, owner name, and so on. And if the local agency wants more/different information, I can just change the table. It has worked out rather nicely.
Believe it or not this is a real life scenario. Subject property was deeded referencing the latest SD plat. The adjoining property was deeded referencing an earlier plat. The plat referenced in Subject property's deed significantly revised the lot line between Subject property and the adjoiner. I never would have known without checking the adjoining owner's deed. Moral of the story " property is conveyed by deed and not plat".
The only case I can see where this might be important is when there have been multiple property line adjsutments or replats within a subdivision. Then perhaps the deed/ownership information is more helpful.
He just wants you to create an extra sheet to increase the filing and review charge! 😉
Ah yes - now I understand. Here in Arizona, County Surveyors never see a recorded Plat until it is recorded, and then only if they want to. It works wonderfully! My condolences to those of you to the west...
I'm glad we don't have county surveyors as such. The only survey plats that are reviewed are for subdivisions.:-)
And my condolences.
To the public that have to rely on the minimally qualified practicioners in your area that have no grownup oversight.
Don
Dave, as you know the request for adjoining deed references is to be assured that maybe you looked at their deeds. If the adjoining parcels are from a recorded map, that is sufficient, in my opinion.
You don't need to cite chapter and verse if the deed says "Parcel 1."
Don