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(@jim-frame)
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Note on an 1897 plat.?ÿ I'm having a hard time envisioning the circumstances under which this came to be.

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Posted : September 29, 2021 7:25 am
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Is that a water frontage? Monument?ÿ 1" below natural ground then 10 feet of fill brought in.

 
Posted : September 29, 2021 7:31 am
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Better get Bill out there with his metal detector.

 
Posted : September 29, 2021 7:35 am
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Wasn't the entire downtown Sacramento area raised up to that degree after flooding??ÿ What is the map location?

Very thankful that he specified the 1" if I have to dig that up

 
Posted : September 29, 2021 8:27 am
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Posted by: @norman-oklahoma

Is that a water frontage?

Yes, the Sacramento River is at the bottom of the image. I can maybe understand how the monument got buried that deep, but I'm having a hard time believing that anybody dug it up without benefit of a backhoe and with a sidewalk on top of it.

Posted by: @david-kendall

Wasn't the entire downtown Sacramento area raised up to that degree after flooding?

Much of it, anyway.?ÿ But this is on the other side of the river, in what used to be the Town of Washington (now part of West Sacramento).

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Posted : September 29, 2021 11:02 am
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@jim-frame Sidewalks of that era were typically wood decks.?ÿ Make sense now?

 
Posted : September 29, 2021 11:08 am
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Make sense now?

Digging down 10 feet (and an inch!) doesn't make sense to me, especially given the location, the era and the surveyor. (I've retraced quite a bit of his work, and it's generally pretty good, but not generally heroic.) There must have been something unusual about the conditions at the site to warrant the peculiar recovery.

 
Posted : September 29, 2021 12:09 pm
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The wooden walkway was elevated 10' in the air snd the notation was a measure down?

 
Posted : September 29, 2021 12:13 pm
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Posted by: @jim-frame

I've retraced quite a bit of his work, and it's generally pretty good, but not generally heroic.

LOL

 
Posted : September 29, 2021 12:34 pm
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@jim-frame?ÿ

did you find anything?

Maybe he inadvertently added a 0 and it's 1' 1" below the "sidewalk"

 
Posted : September 29, 2021 12:37 pm
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Posted by: @dougie

did you find anything?

It doesn't affect the block I'm working in, so I didn't look for it.

 
Posted : September 29, 2021 12:55 pm
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Maybe from previous work he believed it to be there. But the depth to the inch implies he saw the gun barrel and the sidewalk at the same time.?ÿ

 
Posted : September 29, 2021 1:21 pm
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So a distorted version of Occam's Razor leads me to believe the sidewalk was raised with access beneath it so that the gun barrel was reasonably easy to recover and easy to measure up to the sidewalk above.

Or alternatively, he carried trig elevations on all of his work and when he went to stake this point out again he got a cut 10.08'

Did they do stake out in the late 1800's?

 
Posted : September 29, 2021 1:32 pm
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My vote is with MightyMoe.?ÿ At the time, the gun barrel was directly below the raised span of the sidewalk that may have been part of some sort of extensive deck along the bank.

 
Posted : September 29, 2021 1:33 pm
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@jim-frame Sort of begs the question if you were working in this block and your survey might hang on it's location, would you look for it knowing how deep it is?

 
Posted : September 29, 2021 2:24 pm
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@williwaw?ÿ

Depends ?????ÿ

 
Posted : September 29, 2021 3:20 pm
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@david-kendall?ÿ

 
Posted : September 29, 2021 3:54 pm
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@loyal?ÿ

For some weird reason that song reminds me of that famous old book "Under the Bleachers" by Seymour Butz

 
Posted : September 29, 2021 3:57 pm
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The elevated sidewalk theory has some plausibility, but I've never seen any photos of Washington from way back then, so I can't say one way or the other.?ÿ

FWIW, here's a shot of the approximate corner location today:

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And here's a StreetView (well, RiverView) shot of the same location:

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Wondering how Google got that RiverView shot??ÿ Here's a clue:

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Posted : September 29, 2021 4:37 pm
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@jim-frame?ÿ

I would spend a minimum of 2 hours looking for the monument but no more than 3 after reviewing your photos.

 
Posted : September 29, 2021 4:50 pm
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