I understand that the labels are changing because someone changed the linework, but the labels aren't changing because someone consciously changed the labels. To me, that's the difference. The drafter is doing something, but the software is doing something in addition as a result. That's why I'm saying that it's changing on it's own.
Yes, doing a boundary plan, at some point I know that I'm good with the layout, and I see no merit in smart labels
imaudigger, post: 436685, member: 7286 wrote: One of the main reasons I didn't go with Autodesk. While testing the software out, I labeled a spot elevation and didn't like where the label was...gripped it and moved it to a new location and all the contours moved with it. Scary stuff! No thanks.
What? That doesn't happen...
Jim in AZ, post: 436824, member: 249 wrote: What? That doesn't happen...
I happens if your spot elevation label is not a spot elevation label but rather a cogo point with an elevation only point label.
This was when the software was just released and people were transitioning from LDD. It was a spot elevation as far as I knew.
Either way - I'm glad I made the choice that I did since our general feeling is to transitioning away from Autodesk.
I'm sure if you take the time, it's a very good engineering tool.
Mark Mayer, post: 436834, member: 424 wrote: I happens if your spot elevation label is not a spot elevation label but rather a cogo point with an elevation only point label.
You are correct - but he said that he labelled a spot elevation, not that he set a point...
JPH, post: 436818, member: 6636 wrote: I understand that the labels are changing because someone changed the linework, but the labels aren't changing because someone consciously changed the labels. To me, that's the difference. The drafter is doing something, but the software is doing something in addition as a result. That's why I'm saying that it's changing on it's own.
Yes, doing a boundary plan, at some point I know that I'm good with the layout, and I see no merit in smart labels
I don't know how it can be more simple than locking all the layers you don't want them to change. If necessary, have them only XREF/attach your drawing to theirs. If that doesn't work then it's not your fault.
I wonder if there is distortion/transformation occurring and the work flow needs to be investigated.
Yes Civil 3d is full of annotative/dynamic styles, text, dimensions, labels, notes. You can lock the measurement in the dimension label , you can manually over type it, you can change to a different style that is not annotative. Generally I prefer to keep the model correct and live, but the base data should not change, just the design elements.
Perhaps the survey data needs to be preserved as an externally referenced drawing file "xref" within the civil drawing. Still need to check that they are the same drawing projection and units.
As you are doing here, perhaps you need a third party to review the workflow and determine where the changes are creeping in and come up with suitable solution.
In order to control survey cad in LARGER projects that have Multi users following that are working on top of
base survey drawing
Suggest the following
Make a PDF of the survey drawing insert the pdf under the under the survey drawing
periodically look at the survey/pdf to see if the base survey drawing has changed now and then...
The IFC design pdf is what i receive from most engineers and in industrial bolts/ concrete i insert
the pdf into cad C3D and reproduce to a survey layout degree the plan dimensions
I usually find a few engineer CAD bugs which are exterminated.
The issue i have is most engineers don,t give a Chit if there drawing are fit for any purpose
and that is why i am kind of up to my neck tired of Krap drawings from engineers.
Well to stay positive in a sea of garbage engineer drawings lets move on
Ask down stream users
On smaller projects supplied to a engineer end user to xref in Survey.Dwg and set the dwg to read only
place dissension/line work on its own layer a done thing most time
Use DATA SHORT CUTS to move survey OG DTM surfaces data etc etc...between drawings that are used for design purposes
NOTE data short cuts are a great idea from/by autodesk but the interface is garbage and non
intuitive. The use of data short cut is a good control for down stream tool to stop design cad from screwing things up.
Use the Autodesk Vault and please note i have never used the vault but in my CAD dream it may be a tool to
control the less disciplined cad monkey = yes there are boat loads of line drawers out there.
The above are all tools to stop design cad from moving things .. mostly a starting point
Pete
Mitch, post: 436908, member: 7176 wrote: I don't know how it can be more simple than locking all the layers you don't want them to change. If necessary, have them only XREF/attach your drawing to theirs. If that doesn't work then it's not your fault.
They're doing the drafting, so there are no layers in my Carlson dwg that I'd be locking. It's all them.
And xref - christ, I don't want that going on either! That means someone could be changing something in the xref'ed dwg, not knowing that it's changing the boundary plan.
Too much to worry about, maybe it's time I go back solo
JPH, post: 436980, member: 6636 wrote: They're doing the drafting, so there are no layers in my Carlson dwg that I'd be locking. It's all them.
And xref - christ, I don't want that going on either! That means someone could be changing something in the xref'ed dwg, not knowing that it's changing the boundary plan.
Too much to worry about, maybe it's time I go back solo
Every company I've worked at that had multiple people working with a survey base drawing (Cad techs, engineers, planners, etc) had, with some variation, the same procedure. All survey drawings had a survey file name (16-0021-Survey); unless you had a survey license, or directly reported to someone who did, you did not open or ever touch this drawing. You xrefed it and never manipulated it in any other way. Seriously, like a "one warning then out the door" policy.
I don't know where you're located; but around here surveyors don't grow on trees, and therefore have some clout. If I were in you shoes I'd be ignoring "Skippy the CAD Manager" and going straight to the owner(s) of the company and explain the very bad things (both liability and financial) that can happen if non survey CAD staff are screwing up survey drawings. At the very least they're losing a couple of hundred dollars in billable time for every hour you have to go back and recheck what you already checked. If you don't have dedicated survey techs that can handle survey drafting then you need to insist that one of the CAD tech be assigned to survey work and report to you rather than the CAD manager.
Although to be honest, from what you're related, by now I would have probably boxed my stuff up and told the owners that since the CAD manager seems to be in responsible charge of survey deliverables, he can seal the d@mn drawings.
That crap didn't happen back in the days of hand drafting.
Mark Mayer, post: 436834, member: 424 wrote: I happens if your spot elevation label is not a spot elevation label but rather a cogo point with an elevation only point label.
Said point would also have to be used in the DTM. If, for some reason, you do choose to use the point elevation label rather than the spot elevation label then you need to lock the points so they can not be moved.
JPH, post: 436980, member: 6636 wrote: They're doing the drafting, so there are no layers in my Carlson dwg that I'd be locking. It's all them.
And xref - christ, I don't want that going on either! That means someone could be changing something in the xref'ed dwg, not knowing that it's changing the boundary plan.
Too much to worry about, maybe it's time I go back solo
I'm not sure why you would think someone could easily change the xref drawing. Unless you are using some "AutoMap" tools, the only way to change the xref is to open it as a separate drawing.
Sounds like you need a new cad manager.
Peter Kozub, post: 436549, member: 375 wrote: ... I suspect putting COMPANY cad across two Cad softs is a recipe for problems...
Pete
I worked in an office where we ran MicroStation and C3D for years. You get used to it. Just don't try to be proficient in both. I am still scared of C3D and I ran Mstation Open Roads like nobody's business.
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Yes i suspect the problem is the management of the drawings
Autodesk says put as little info in each drawings
so i would contol it as follows
Lot Boundaries.dwg set to read only
Site OG topo and DTMS.dwg to read only
The Xref the above into design drawings
Site Design Phase 1.dwg
To get the actual data in use short cuts
In design phase 1.dwg the
following ARE ALL DATA SHORT CUTS
outside lot limits inserted
the og Dtm inserted.
Data short cuts are a bit hard to get the handle of due to the clunky interface.
Again put as little as possible in each drawing and use data short cuts
If a drawing becomes corrupted its far easier to fix one bad Xref
versus one massive drawing that holds all.
I still fail to understand why a boundary dwg needs to have so many dynamic and easily changed items. Once an existing boundary is labeled, why do I want it ever to change without my specific instruction? Also with a proposed line. If I change the location of a proposed line, then I'm going to be looking for a changed dimension.
Yeah, just finished another session in futility. Another dimension changed, and I got the typical BS, "the wrong node was clicked". And I can't understand why a B-D that is not going to change, ever, can be affected by someone doing something else.
I'm past thinking that it's a drafter mistaking, and more bad procedures.
Sorry for the rant. I just don't know what my options are, without looking like a couple of spoiled children who can't get along, to the supervisor.
Is it XREF'd into their drawing? It should be. Then they can't mess it up as easily.
Dan Patterson, post: 437507, member: 1179 wrote: Is it XREF'd into their drawing? It should be. Then they can't mess it up as easily.
No idea. But as said, I haven't been changing anything. No f'ing idea why this stuff is changing.
JPH, post: 437508, member: 6636 wrote: No idea. But as said, I haven't been changing anything. No f'ing idea why this stuff is changing.
I suspect they're inadvertently moving the lines and the dynamic label is updating. At the very least maybe you can lock the boundary label and boundary line layers so they can't be manipulated. Go in the layer manager and click the little lock icon when you are done the drawing for those two layers. Then they can't change.
