There is a land developer in my area, that bought a Topcon Total Station.
How would you feel, about helping him get it working? (i refused)
Another Reel Estate Agent, in another state, that bought a gps.
And, he wants help running it!
If you sold him your old gear, and he wants help! (not me!)
I'm wondering about "helping" bury this profession.
Do we really need non surveyors, plying their hand with it?
Just thinking out loud here.
The gps deal above is not my dilema. But it is somebodies....
Dangit, we have enough "equipment abuse" amongst our own!
N
Nate The Surveyor, post: 434853, member: 291 wrote: There is a land developer in my area, that bought a Topcon Total Station.
How would you feel, about helping him get it working? (i refused)
Another Reel Estate Agent, in another state, that bought a gps.
And, he wants help running it!
If you sold him your old gear, and he wants help! (not me!)
I'm wondering about "helping" bury this profession.
Do we really need non surveyors, plying their hand with it?
Just thinking out loud here.
The gps deal above is not my dilema. But it is somebodies....
Dangit, we have enough "equipment abuse" amongst our own!
N
I understand the feeling, however should survey equipment be regulated like arms? Should only licensed persons be allowed to purchase equipment?
Would I teach them how to use it? No. But I for one am glad that people sell their used equipment. It gave me the chance to buy my equipment. And I will again buy used if the price is right.
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Jawja, post: 434861, member: 12766 wrote: should survey equipment be regulated like arms?
Some states require you to register your machete...:scream:
Most contractors have better equipment than surveyors anyways. So why not?
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Nate The Surveyor, post: 434853, member: 291 wrote: Another Reel Estate Agent
a slip of the tongue?
It's how I see some here. Reel in the suckers, and sell them anything whilst telling them 'anything'. Ethics?
They're not ALL like that, only some.
To learn from me would take working beside me and pick it up like everyone else.
Take college surveying courses.
They should read the manual and make a choice.
Jawja, post: 434861, member: 12766 wrote: But I for one am glad that people sell their used equipment. It gave me the chance to buy my equipment. And I will again buy used if the price is right
Me too, I bought a TS06 from a a gentleman on this site and it functions and looks like it's never been used.:)
(Thanks Don and Dawn)
You shouldn't need a licence to measure something for yourself. Other proffesionals have used surveying equipment for a long time, archeologists, geologists, forrestors, soil scientists, farmers, engineers, geodisits..., Now if they were planing on using it to tell other people where their boundaries are, or to stake out an intestate highway bridge, that's a different thing.
We sold the old t1 to a machinist.
We have a subdivision here called Riverbay. It is about 7% of the town. The surveyors set bounds and critical points and the realtor set pipes everywhere else. This was back around 1970.
Well, if the subdivision closed (a good reason why using curves should have been outlawed by surveyors of the 60s)
And if the monuments actually agree (There's a foot that bounces around out there)
Then the pipes can be tested. Some are good. Some are about 5 feet.
Nate, I feel the same way when I see a non-electrical engineer with a voltmeter. What business could anyone who is not an ee or an electrician have with one. It is criminal.
Hopefully Oregon can lead the nation on passing effective regulations.
Mark Silver, post: 434924, member: 1087 wrote: Nate, I feel the same way when I see a non-electrical engineer with a voltmeter. What business could anyone who is not an ee or an electrician have with one. It is criminal.
Hopefully Oregon can lead the nation on passing effective regulations.
Exactly!
Do an internet search for news/machete and you will be amazed at the number of reports of machetes being used in all sorts of criminal activity. Perhaps total stations and RTK gear are the next steps of progression to hardcore LIDAR abuse.
Holy Cow, post: 434928, member: 50 wrote: Do an internet search for news/machete and you will be amazed at the number of reports of machetes being used in all sorts of criminal activity. Perhaps total stations and RTK gear are the next steps of progression to hardcore LIDAR abuse.
I can see Nancy now excoriating RTK as a gateway drug. Just say NOOOOOO.....
Mark Silver, post: 434924, member: 1087 wrote: What business could anyone who is not an ee or an electrician have with one. It is criminal
Im sure your sarcasm light was lit... However, when you KNOW that someone is gonna make a mess.... Due to conversation with them..... I just wonder.... Say is meth all that bad? I see em "practicing meth with, and without a licence... Often!
I suppose each case is different. I tried to help a local home builder learn to use the Sokkia Set 3B he'd purchased off of e-bay to stake his houses. He just didn't have the math skills to convert his plans into coordinates for stake-out. He still lays out his houses with cloth tape and batter boards. At least now if he hires a surveyor to stake a house; he'll know it was money well spent.
vern, post: 434902, member: 3436 wrote: Most contractors have better equipment than surveyors anyways. So why not?
This is very true. I provide training for many contractors. I'd guess that contractors are buying the latest gear at a rate of 20:1, compared to surveyors. About 99.9% of contractors are willing to pay for training. Very very seldom is a surveyor willing to pay for training, when they purchase new equipment.
Nate The Surveyor, post: 434853, member: 291 wrote: There is a land developer in my area, that bought a Topcon Total Station.
How would you feel, about helping him get it working? (i refused)
Another Reel Estate Agent, in another state, that bought a gps.
And, he wants help running it!
If you sold him your old gear, and he wants help! (not me!)
I'm wondering about "helping" bury this profession.
Do we really need non surveyors, plying their hand with it?
Just thinking out loud here.
The gps deal above is not my dilema. But it is somebodies....
Dangit, we have enough "equipment abuse" amongst our own!
N
I know what you're getting at, and that's probably what the developers intent is, but for the sake of argument, if he were using those tools mentioned to more accurately and efficiently perform his function, after the control has been established (and boundaries) I wouldn't have issue 1 with it. I use wrenches all of the time, I'm good with them, in no way, shape of form am I capable of performing a full engine overhaul without guidance and supervision.
But as a follow up, I'm fairly certain I could fumble my way through and engine overhaul, unsupervised, and that there is the problem, would this developer do in business with what I would do on spare time, on my own dime.
Nate The Surveyor, post: 434853, member: 291 wrote:
I'm wondering about "helping" bury this profession.
N
Owning and using hardware to locate stuff is NOT surveying.As you should know, the profession of surveying is a lot more than using the latest Javad whatever. There are state laws against surveying without a license. Keeping the "crown jewels" of equipment to the hallowed priesthood is not going to prevent "burying this profession". Licensed surveyors using these tools improperly, though, will.
Quite to the contrary though, think about the day ahead when anyone with an iPhone 12 or Samsung S14 with "sub centimeter RTK" capabilty is in the hands of every real estate professional, not to mention abutting homeowners staking out their own property lines. We're talking Pin Cushion City! This will be a boon to the surveying profession. Plan to take advantage of it.
In almost 50 years working heavy construction I've met many surveyors. Some where experts in the profession and some not so much. In the early days we relied on surveyors to do most of the construction staking. When surveying errors were discovered it would usually be days before they could come back and fix things. Today I have learned to use some surveying tools for construction layout purposes as well as machine control. Now depending on the type of problem I can call the surveyor and frequently save both of us much time and effort fixing things. The companies I've worked for bought gear from a dealer and my instructions/troubleshooting has mostly been dealer supplied. I think if I bought used gear from a surveyor (like a robotic TS) I would expect to be shown how to get it up and running if for nothing more than to know it works. Anything after that is on me. When I did buy a used robot it was from the dealer. The use of survey quality tools for construction is still new and the direction the professions will go are still in flux. One of the best surveyors I know has been doing GPS 3D Model building. It's the direction construction is going and he is busier than he wants to be.
