I would get that robot I'm dreaming of maybe??ÿ It would be a pain but I'd probably deal with it better than some.
Google, my Weather app, NSA, the Russians or China would not know where I am..........
I could use my triple prisms again.
Fits in with my twitter bio:?ÿPersonally Traditionalist, Localist, Agrarian, Anti-Modern. Professionally High Tech
Well put. I'm the same way. Not quite sure what I'm going to do when the cognitive dissonance becomes cognitive cacophony. I suppose I'll eventually have to choose...
No problem here. I have the equipment to carry on.
That manifesto link brings up too many words and too few simple statements for a simpleton like me to digest.
At the end of it I get some sense of their ideas, and resonate with parts, but wonder if those thoughts might have applied in some way at many times and places in our history.
Living and working in Colorado I can say that I would be terribly disappointed lol....sections corners a mile apart would no longer be a quick 2 minute drive. ?ÿ
In the PNW, particularly west of the coast ranges, probably more than 90% of the field work is done with the total station (that is, without GNSS) anyway.?ÿ So that part wouldn't be much problem. But putting things on an SP grid system would be out the window.?ÿ And without easy access to SP systems things like Google Earth wouldn't be possible. Losing Google Earth would have a big impact on my work.?ÿ ?ÿ ?ÿ
[iPad quote]But putting things on an SP grid system would be out the window.[/iPad quote]
We've had a long run here of subdivision plats having to be put in SPC that the cadastral fabric is one big control network (much of it, unfortunately,?ÿof questionable quality).?ÿ
We've had a long run here of subdivision plats having to be put in SPC that the cadastral fabric is one big control network (much of it, unfortunately,?ÿof questionable quality).?ÿ
Fact is that before there was GPS state plane coordinates and National Spatial Reference Systems were foreign concepts to all surveyors except those working for the NGS and the COE - a few scattered stragglers in some state highway departments?ÿ excepted.
It's mostly all I ever did, and many others not connected to government work. Energy, ranch surveys, subdivision, water systems were all done connected to state plane. Can't imagine not using it. Long before GPS
It's mostly all I ever did, and many others not connected to government work. Energy, ranch surveys, subdivision, water systems were all done connected to state plane. Can't imagine not using it. Long before GPS
I think, perhaps, that you were an exception. You certainly would have been around here.
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I find that's the perception, out west; not the norm, in the midwest...
They set out all those intervisible monuments to use. Might as well use em
Being a Javad junkie, my heart palpates every time I read the title of this thread...
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They set out all those intervisible monuments to use. Might as well use em
But how many are left??ÿ Around here 1/10 to 1/4 in various areas I've explored.
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"Do we need GPS to Survey?"
No, don't use it anyway, at least for Survey applications.
They set out all those intervisible monuments to use. Might as well use em
But how many are left??ÿ Around here 1/10 to 1/4 in various areas I've explored.
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More than that here. But over the years the network has become densified, it's not like surveyors waited around for some government guy to show up and do it. There are decades of private and officially filed control to use.?ÿ
They set out all those intervisible monuments to use. Might as well use em
But how many are left??ÿ Around here 1/10 to 1/4 in various areas I've explored.
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Bill,
In my limited experience in and around Urban/Suburban areas over the years, I have to agree with your numbers. It's ironic that those areas that really NEED good Horizontal & Vertical Control, are the very ones where such Monuments are the first to go!
On the other hand, MOST of my work over the last 50 years has been out in the boondocks, where the VAST MAJORITY of the USC&GS/NGS/USGS Control is still extant (much like Mighty's area).
Use of the Classical National Network (aka NSRS) is pretty common in most of the areas that I?ÿhave worked in, and?ÿmost of the "private" (Mining, Engineering, and such) Networks are actually pretty darn good. There are of course exceptions, because Dufus & Goofus have been around a very long time, and their ancestors continue to pee in the Geodetic (and Cadastral) Gene Pool to this very day.
Loyal?ÿ
Probably end my surveying if GPS went down.?ÿ Now, if the reason was an international conflict (war) we'd probably have some larger issues to deal with other than completing normal survey work.
I can survey without it, but wouldn't want to do so. Today, with a capable RTK system, I can survey much more than I could with a total station or a total station with static GPS. When I say "survey more" I don't necessarily mean more projects completed or more area covered, although I can make that case pretty easily. What I mean by "more" is that I am much less worried about measurements and much more concerned with surveying, getting ties to controlling monuments that would have been very difficult by conventional methods allowing me to make considerations that I could not have made before. Formerly my time was consumed with dealing with conventional methods that I am now no longer shackled by: traverse setup with all of the considerations regarding strength of figure and intervisibility, brushing lines, performing the traverse with many stations only use being to carry measurements forward, walking the traverse lines back and forth multiple times, determining whether to make the effort to close out (again with the purpose of many stations only being to carry measurements forward), adjustments (adjust? don't adjust? how to adjust?) then finally I can get serious about boundary evaluation.
With RTK, almost every point collected is a necessary point to the survey. I have no worries about strength of figure in traverse design, no brushing out traverse lines, no walking back and forth to perform the traverse, no adjustments after completion. So my mind is free to think more critically about the actual purpose of the survey (i.e. the boundary reconstruction, the location of features, the layout of the lots, etc.)