Why won't they listen?
One is designing a Boathouse which requires Zoning. They say, oh you can take this to zoning, right? I could if it was a legitimate boathouse.
The next has a house on a sensitive coastal bank. They say, oh you can add to the septic to get a 6th bedroom, right? I could if the sewer went by the property.
So, how do we train the architects? Obviously telephone calls, e-mails and direct discussion all fail...
> So, how do we train the architects? Obviously telephone calls, e-mails and direct discussion all fail...
Negative reinforcement?
I would rather have root canal AND a colonoscopy that deal with an architect.
By answering, "Yes, I can do anything you need done, provided my compensation for the contract is adjusted for the services you are requiring".
My daughter is a junior in high school and wants to be an architects. What do I say to her? Maybe she would be one of the good ones.
> My daughter is a junior in high school and wants to be an architects. What do I say to her? Maybe she would be one of the good ones.
If you're raising her right she'll never graduate with an Architecture degree because she won't be able to pass Arrogance 101
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> > My daughter is a junior in high school and wants to be an architects. What do I say to her? Maybe she would be one of the good ones.
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> If you're raising her right she'll never graduate with an Architecture degree because she won't be able to pass Arrogance 101
Yes
> My daughter is a junior in high school and wants to be an architects. What do I say to her? Maybe she would be one of the good ones.
Whatever you do, don't discourage her.
I have known a half-dozen or so GREAT surveyors that actually started their adult life thinking they would like architecture. Let her find out on her own, I have a feeling the "force" will be with her...
> I have known a half-dozen or so GREAT surveyors that actually started their adult life thinking they would like architecture.
Awww...thanks. 😀
Yeah,
the one with the 'boathouse' is right next door to the 'do-gooder' who has added a few citizens petition articles to the local bylaw to ensure the 'proper' development of properties within the flood plain. As designed it will be denied.
Does a boathouse in Mass. also require a permit from DCR? I'm thinking since they require one for a dock...?
On St. John, Virgin Islands, there are architects that are good customers, good people, good designers. Not all of them, but a few. I trust that somewhere else in the world there are others. Somehow, their arrogance is checked. Please keep in mind that it is possible, if very rare.
DCR? Or DEP Chapter 91? Docks and other work below the MHW require the additional permit and license. If this boathouse was closer to the water, then we'd be looking at additional permits. This boathouse is fancy and the clients were hesitant to install flood vents. We are keeping it in the A zone as they would flip over some breakaway walls as required in the V zone.
I'm fully aware of state specific laws. However the mindset of arciturckies is international. They build buildings. Ok, build a building. Do not do site design for grading or try and get 3 acres of pavement to outlet into a 6" culvert. Not gonna happen.
Us surveyors get to fix their malfunctions on a regular basis. Ever stake a building where one wall dimension was missing? No, me neither....lol. How a out those sacred PE's who couldn't grade their way out of a paper bag with a hole in the bottom. Never fixed that stuff for the guy on the dozer? Me neither....;-)
Retirement is looking really good...
Architects are the whiniest of the three disciplines by far. I've dealt with one engineer that got close, but ultimately, he was still better than EVERY architect I've ever worked with.
Each year, the Civil Engineering students here at LSU design their own American Society of Civil Engineers T-shirts. About 7-8 years ago, I did a double take on a co-ed walking down the hall with the new ASCE T-shirt that had some text on her back in big letters:
Mugnier's Hierarchy of Professions:
Engineers & Surveyors
Clergy
Physicians
Lay People
Garbage Collectors
Architects
True story.
Now that thar' is funny Cliff. Thanks. At least she had the where with all to put an "and" symbol to hip joint us to those engineer guys. Even if I don't agree, it still is cool.
We all know that they could not do their job without our data, but we sure as heck can do our's without their input. Case in point.
Cheers leggers. Go Spartans!!
If it is any consolation, as far as I can tell, they do not like us much either.
During the economic downturn I found myself in school studying drafting. The blue print reading class was instructed by a Architect who summed up the role of a Land Surveyor as being akin to that of a Public Notary.
No, no, no.
If this board isn't ranting about architects, it's title companies, or attorneys. Peers, there are very annoying members of each of those, and I've slammed the phone down more than a few times (when I had a land line), but most of my work comes directly from those three, I get along with them, and I respect them. They hand me a lot of lucrative projects, and refer even more clients my way. Rarely do I have any problems with them.
You need to cultivate the good ones instead of using a broad brush to condemn all.
