Can you?
"There were some people on a train.
19 people get off the train at the first stop
17 people get on the train.
Now there are 63 people on the train.
How many people were on the train to begin with?"
(65 or 46?)
http://www.popsugar.com/tech/Math-Test-Question-Stumps-Parents-41259705
The standard surveyor answer would be: It depends.
How many train company employees were also on the train? Does being there in spirit count? Maybe there are negative two people on board because only 17 got on but 19 got off. How the heck did that happen?
In my opinion, that is actually rather advanced for 6 and 7 year olds. At that age they are still struggling with the concepts of addition and subtraction, let alone the process of formulating solutions from words.
FL/GA PLS., post: 371650, member: 379 wrote: Can you?
"There were some people on a train.
19 people get off the train at the first stop
17 people get on the train.
Now there are 63 people on the train.How many people were on the train to begin with?"
(65 or 46?)
http://www.popsugar.com/tech/Math-Test-Question-Stumps-Parents-41259705
[sarcasm]some[/sarcasm][sarcasm][/sarcasm]
Common Core, as it is known, focuses on the ability to convert the question from one form to another before solving. Being able to show the steps involved is more important than being able to give the correct answer. This is at all levels of testing.
In the olden days a smart kid could look at the question: 2 + 4 + 22 = ? and immediately answer 28. Now, that is not good enough. First, what are the numbers in the one's column. That would be 2, 4 and 2. What is there sum? The answer to that is 8 in the one's column plus an imaginary zero in the tens column. Then what are the numbers in the ten's column. That would be 2 and the imaginary zero. What is there sum? The answer to that is 2. Then positioning the ten's sum next to the one's sum produces 2 in the ten's column and 8 in the one's column. We recognize the combination of the two sums as the common number, 28.
That is, more or less, the process the student is required to demonstrate. It is no wonder the parents can't help their six year-old correctly answer their homework problems.
FL/GA PLS., post: 371650, member: 379 wrote: Can you?
"There were some people on a train.
19 people get off the train at the first stop
17 people get on the train.
Now there are 63 people on the train.How many people were on the train to begin with?"
(65 or 46?)
http://www.popsugar.com/tech/Math-Test-Question-Stumps-Parents-41259705
The answer I UNCRITICALLY accept is:
there were SOME people on the train.
Until the engineer got on that morning, there were none.
FL/GA PLS., post: 371650, member: 379 wrote: Can you?
"There were some people on a train.
19 people get off the train at the first stop
17 people get on the train.
Now there are 63 people on the train.How many people were on the train to begin with?"
(65 or 46?)
http://www.popsugar.com/tech/Math-Test-Question-Stumps-Parents-41259705
Indeterminate, from the information presented.
It Depends...
What are the standard errors of the different counts?
Is the train in Texas, or Arkansas?
Is this a trick question?
:-S
Loyal, post: 371736, member: 228 wrote: It Depends...
What are the standard errors of the different counts?
Is the train in Texas, or Arkansas?
Is this a trick question?
:-S
Not a trick.
There were 90 passengers when the Texas Eagle derailed in Hog Spring County, Arkansas yesterday.
http://m.arkansasonline.com/news/2016/may/10/amtrak-90-people-aboard-partially-derails-hot-spri/
The water was cold AND deep...git it?
DDSM:beer::beer::beer:
People are having fun with this, but it seems pretty simple.
Holy Cow, post: 371653, member: 50 wrote: How many train company employees were also on the train?
Irrelevant. Whether you define "people" as "humans" or as "passengers" the answer is the same.
Holy Cow, post: 371653, member: 50 wrote: Does being there in spirit count?
Irrelevant. No one got on or off in spirit.
rfc, post: 371730, member: 8882 wrote: Indeterminate, from the information presented.
If all boarding or leaving is listed, then the answer must be 65. That no significant events are omitted is a standard assumption for such test questions.
Are you talking theory or facts?
Did you see some people?
Maybe there is no train.
It really don't matter unless you are 6 or 7.
Holy Cow, post: 371673, member: 50 wrote: It is no wonder the parents can't help their six year-old correctly answer their homework problems.
Spot on! I have to go back and read through the entire lesson to help my 4th grader with her math. The methods have changed so much and if I don't all I get is tears and "that's not how Mrs. so and so taught us!!!!"
20yrs ago I sat at the dining table attempting to help my sons understand multiplying and dividing and calculating the square root of a number.
The next day I was in the school at their teacher's door getting some understanding why arithmetic was suddenly wrong if not done her way. I explained that I can teach my children the math that I knew and learned in school and what she was teaching did not even follow the textbook the kids had.
Her answer was that this is "new math" and that my old math was not taught anymore.
Well Missy, you are gonna have to take the time and teach my kids your new math cause I'm not going back to school just to do it your way.
They are all in their 30s now and still don't know math. My own sons are a bunch of button pusher............:-(
At the end of the article they said "That answer to that question is simple: if there's this much debate about it with adults, then it's not suitable for children."
Well....have you ever watched "Are you smarter than a 5th grader"? A lot of adults can't answer some basic math questions. That doesn't mean that you can't ask them of students. That's how they learn.
All we are is just another brick in the Wall...
RADAR, post: 371791, member: 413 wrote: All we are is just another brick in the Wall...
or Dust in the wind...
Holy Cow, post: 371673, member: 50 wrote: Common Core, as it is known, focuses on the ability to convert the question from one form to another before solving. Being able to show the steps involved is more important than being able to give the correct answer. This is at all levels of testing.
In the olden days a smart kid could look at the question: 2 + 4 + 22 = ? and immediately answer 28. Now, that is not good enough. First, what are the numbers in the one's column. That would be 2, 4 and 2. What is there sum? The answer to that is 8 in the one's column plus an imaginary zero in the tens column. Then what are the numbers in the ten's column. That would be 2 and the imaginary zero. What is there sum? The answer to that is 2. Then positioning the ten's sum next to the one's sum produces 2 in the ten's column and 8 in the one's column. We recognize the combination of the two sums as the common number, 28.
That is, more or less, the process the student is required to demonstrate. It is no wonder the parents can't help their six year-old correctly answer their homework problems.
"What is there sum?" I don't understand the question 🙂 Shouldn't that be "What is that there sum?"
Politicians are actively working to dumb down the electorate. If the electorate was able to apply deductive reasoning, they would be smart enough not to elect the current office holders. This statement was made with no regard to any political party. They all stink.
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"What is there sum?" I don't understand the question 🙂 Shouldn't that be "What is that there sum?"
That made me laugh out loud. You were commenting on my improper usage of "there" when "their" was the correct word. You fixed it nicely by adding the Southern approach to the sentence. Bravo!
