this is a problem with our government, they cannot decide what to do... 30K range???
SALARY RANGE $59,987.00 to $93,470.00 / Per Year
Maybe it's experience based? No need to lock in a salary until you find out who you want to hire.
I would also assume location based. I know the $95k probably wouldn't go too far in some areas, but seems like a good chunk of change for the states that were listed.
Brad Luken, LS
AZ, CA, NV & OR
I expect to see a lot of public employes losing their government jobs and benefits. Those producing wealth can't afford to carry so much fluff and stay in a productive mode. Don't know how many of them could hold down a private position, there are some who would do well but I suspect they are a minority who probably don't get along well with their fellow public sector workers. Don't think there is much security in taking a public sector job today, last hired, first to go will be the cleansing process used to thin the herd.
jud
Jud, as far as surveyors are concerned, I don't think you could be more wrong. Most would have no problems shifting to private.
My two cents...
Most likely, the minimally qualified person would be offered to lowest salary. Should there be an exemplary candidate willing to put up with being a government employee they COULD be offered the high end.
Cheers,
DMM
Unless you are essentially already a US Government Surveyor having documented experience for a year at least at the GS-09 level you will not meet the requirements for this position, so don't waste your time if you are otherwise.
I agree with Carl. Worked for the feds for 5 years. Most jobs are locked into the system. If you ain't part of it no dice. They advertise per the law but most of these jobs are selected before the paperwork goes out the door.
It has been at least 20 years since a state private survey license has been taken into account for OPM qualifications for the land surveyor positions. That means (without reviewing it all) that an LS will probably automatically qualify as a GS-11. Beyond that experience applies. A MS degree may qualify you as a GS-12, a Phd as a GS-13 but regardless experience in or out of the government will count.
The whole issue in these announcements is the level that the applicant may qualify for, not some joke about how incompetent the government is.
If you qualified at the minimal level the position offered would be at the level you qualified for. Check the salary schedules and locality pay as well as the descriptions of the grades involved to understand why the 'range' of salary in these announcements.
If you had been a GS-11, 12, then 13 land surveyor for the Corps of Engineers you might qualify for a position at the higher range, or you may not depending on the specifics of the position. You could qualify based on other credentials.
If you have already been a GS-12 in FWS for a year, then you would probably if qualified and accepted be eligible for an offer at the higher end shown.
It's the way the private sector works - so it's how the government should also work.
Coming from a private sector, 10 years, and now in a public sector job, I work a lot more hours, odd shifts, and generally a faster pace work environment. Also, the pay is slightly less than my private sector counterpart. I know government is so lazy and government is so bloated, while in general that may be the case, but every public sector surveyor I have meet works hard and isn't a burden to the public. Maybe it's the nature of the profession and the professionals who work in it.
my $0.02
Brad Luken, LS
AZ, CA, NV & OR
"..most of these jobs are selected before the paperwork goes out the door."
Do you have any proof of that? I don't think its true...
The grass is always greener, and the other guy always gets the better deal......
I think it's true. I don't have written proof, but that's the way the system works.
There are very few prople that are classified as 1373 Land Surveyors in Government service. Any one of them that has 1 year of service as a GS 09 or above would qualify for that position. Any one that is licensed as a Land Surveyor in any state or teritory, under the current NCEES Model Law could be qualified for that position. It is and 11/12 Postion. That means that they can select as a GS 11 or a GS 12. If you are selected as a GS 11, you would be eldigible for a non competive promotion to GS 12 after 1 year. Unless you have previous federal service, you should start as a GS 11 or GS 12 step one, even if you have 30 years of experience. At this time, a GS 11 step 01 pays $57,408 and a GS 12 Step 01 pays $68,809, unless their is locality pay involved.
It does seem to be true, from experience.
Also, the Feds post a salary range, but they will never hire at the top of that rate.
You would be expected to start at or near the low end, and only attain the higher number after years of tenure.
Where did this come from:
There are very few prople that are classified as 1373 Land Surveyors in Government service.
Land surveyors in BLM are 1373 and have to be, to be able to survey in BLM.
Keith
Ok, I forgot about BLM, but other than there they are few and far between. BLM probably has fewer 1373 Land Surveyors now than they did in the past.
Why do the agencies, beside BLM, have a need for 1373 land surveyors when they do not have authority to survey land anyway?
