To a 1/8? dimple in a cap from which a 1/16? dimple bears N 16?ø45??16.438? W 0.0245?? and a 3/32? dimple bears N 70?ø33??12.987? E 0.0156??.
Monument and 2-R.P.s 😀
I agree, he (they or it) should not have shown the drill hole without a dimension; but it is a plat for the purpose of creating Lot 1. The parent tract is the stone wall and Lot 1 is the dimensioned line. I suspect (This is a social media site, I should allowed to suspect, analyze, think and opine without bestowing a professional boundary determination) that a boundary survey probably exist somewhere, that monumentation exist at the Lot 1 corners and if a metes and bounds description would have been prepared, monumentation at each corner should not have been called for.
In my jurisdiction, a Boundary Survey is a requirement for both a Record Plat and a Minor Plat. The required items are shown there. A Minor Plat looks vague and bland like the topic image. A Record Plat is slightly more informative but still does not show lot corner monumentation (although it is required to be set).
Calling for monumentation at every change in direction in a newly created legal description does not solve geometry problems for the next surveyor. It does created conflicts, unless the existing adjacent descriptions also call for the same monumentation. Saying ??along the section line to a concrete monument?? could create a gap, depending on the neighbor??s surveyor and title company; while ??along the section line 100 feet?? will only have the neighbor??s survey showing your monument offline a little. A Section Line is a straight line and should not jog at every piece of monumentation; and your client should not have to argue about who owns that strip of land between the monument and that other line.
We are Surveyors, not Connect the Dotters. We are expected to show, NOT SHOW, solve and determine; but without tearing everything up to fix it and make everything right (as bad as I often want to). I hope my comments do not slow this post down like they often do. I am not easily offend, yet I seem to offend often. My pre-apology is sincere.?ÿ
This looks like it's in Mass.?ÿ It's not required to set all corners, or even the new corners.?ÿ We set them on our jobs there, (and everywhere else), but not everyone does
It depends on your definition of, sufficient
250 CMR Land Surveying Procedures and Standards
(6) Monumentation. Lines shall be marked on-the-ground such that, in combination with the monuments recovered:
(a) Sufficient monuments exist to enable future surveyors to reliably reproduce the lines as surveyed, even if some of the referenced monuments are compromised over time.?ÿ Referencing coordinates are not a substitute for setting physical monuments.
While that map, or at least what we can see of it, would not be recordable in my area.?ÿ Would be interesting to know where it is and if they complied with the law/code.?ÿ I would sure hope this is not acceptable in any state.
Maybe he had some layers turned off and didn't property QA/QC things??ÿ I have said this often:?ÿ
?ÿ'you can be the best surveyor but if you cannot communicate your survey effectively on a map your survey skills are meaningless'.?ÿ?ÿ I've worked with some spectacular surveyors over the years but their maps were difficult at best.
My complaint about this map is that the only corner is in the rear of Lot 2, and that the one on the stone wall at the east is not defined. It would be necessary for me to run the entire perimeter of both lots to establish the boundary of Lot 1. I am sure this is more work, and expense than the client will anticipate.
@jph?ÿ
It is in Massachusetts, and the regulations you cite are the minimum standard. I've never wanted to be known as the surveyor who follows the minimum?ÿ standard. Like you, I would have set all the corners
@lurker?ÿ
Without monuments at Lot 1 we must survey the entire perimeter to establish that boundary. It seems the survey who created Lot 1 could have done easily compared to what is needed now to establish those lines.
I understand what you're saying.?ÿ But I wouldn't have a problem with just locating the stonewalls at the road, along with westerly stonewall and fitting to the plan math for Lot 1.?ÿ?ÿ
I don't think you need to run the whole thing
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@jph?ÿ
I suppose that may be possible by selecting observations at the center of the stone wall and making a line of best fit. Perhaps we should try that first, and try to save the client some money.
I wouldn??t do anything until I??d gotten the deed for the property west of Lot 1 and east of Lot 2. After reviewing those deeds I would decide if I wanted to locate their other front corners prior to completing my survey. I would also locate at a minimum the drill hole at the NW corner of Lot 2. Saving the client money is low on my list when retracing a boundary survey.
@mightymoe I knew a Party Chief that would put a tack in the plastic cap for the corner position.
I agree.?ÿ It's SOP to pull all the deeds abutting the subject parcel, and take them back as far as needed.?ÿ
My guess is that the stonewall is the boundary line between the subject parcel and westerly abutter.
I also agree about the DH at the the NW corner.?ÿ When I first reviewed, I mistakenly thought this was a lot creation, with a remaining land parcel.?ÿ But on second look, it's a 2 lot division, so getting both ends of the lines would make sense.?ÿ And the DH gives a measuring point, and avoids minor disagreement if just the stonewall corner/intersection were held as the starting point.?ÿ Especially since some MA surveyors hold face of stonewall at roads, and others hold center of stonewall, (another subject altogether)
@mightymoe I knew a Party Chief that would put a tack in the plastic cap for the corner position.
Did he call the tack in the description? ?????ÿ
I don't know much about plastic caps. The ones found here are normally in chunks around a rebar with maybe a couple of pieces still attached. I've never bought one to use and never set one. But, the few I've seen still in decent condition have a little hole in the center, I always figured it was a breathing hole or something. Seems pointless to put a tack through it.?ÿ
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@mightymoe Nope never saw a surveyor in the office call to a tacked plastic cap and rebar.
The more-ass caps would supply a large area for tack placement.
https://www.berntsen.com/Utilities/Plastic-Utility-Markers/Morasse-Utility-Markers-for-Rebar
@jph The real fun begins when not-my-real-name runs along that stone wall, and discovers it meanders back and forth across that long, straight line indicated on the plan. I'll bet it varies from the line by at least a couple feet in one or two places, possibly by even more.
Without a doubt.?ÿ
And if it does bow, say easterly about a foot, do you hold the 150.17' from the wall as it bows, or do you hold 150.17' from the plan straight line.?ÿ Then with the 1' easterly bow, that back line ends up being really 149.17'
Fun stuff, for sure
There's a dimple in a tack in a cap on a pin in a pipe.....
Yup!?ÿ That summarizes the thinking level of some who believe they are surveyors.
