@FL/GA, PLS
I'm sending this to myself as a reminder.......;-)
paden cash, post: 375971, member: 20 wrote: I think he probably just has a provocative nature and is humored by kicking the fence and watching the dog on the other side slobber and bark. Or he might really be stricken and suffering from mathematical OCD. Whichever it is I think he's probably been that way a while and won't be changing anytime soon.
I use to work with a fella that would watch me eat lunch every day and then critique the way I went about it. Drove me nuts and Kent reminds me of that guy. The worst thing in the world anyone could do was try and either shut him up or argue with him. I had no idea a chainman knew so much about diet and digestion..
What would really drive him nuts was to see me eat mayo on a sammich that had sat in a brown paper bag all morning on the dashboard. He would almost pull it out of my hands! He was convinced I would be dead by sundown.
That was when I started chewing with my mouth open just for his benefit. :whistle:
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paden cash, post: 375978, member: 20 wrote: All my guys know they better carry something to measure with....
That is why Filson put pockets on THE vest...
DDSM
paden cash, post: 375978, member: 20 wrote: OK. I agree. But here's a serious question: Do you carry a roll-up chain or tape also?
Reason I'm asking is because my hands drive me nuts with their "pacing". Now granted we all ought to be able to pace 50 or 60 feet when kicking up pins and not be too far off. But when I pull and see a PC and his hand 600' from a known point and they're out there waving the Schonstedt around like a magic wand...and they don't have the slightest idea where they are really at. Drives me nuts...And I hate it when I tell them to "pull 50 feet off that nail" and I look and he's pacing away....
All my guys know they better carry something to measure with....
Why pace and guess when I can measure exact (ish). I have a 100' box tape in my vest. Before I had that, on a lot job, the K&E highway chain came out and off the reel until everything was found then shot in.
Now, today, I "MAY" shoot a couple with RTK and stake to lines and calculate search positions, but I still have my tape.
Kris Morgan, post: 376026, member: 29 wrote: ...Now, today, I "MAY" shoot a couple with RTK and stake to lines and calculate search positions, but I still have my tape.
That is always a viable option and we utilize it quite a bit. In my case I have one PC that can perform that function so well (he thinks) that he will punch in points in the DC...using the bearings on a plat...and not be able to understand the setup is not oriented to the plat. He then can't understand why his "calc" point and the pin he found don't fit each other. He's the one I have to watch...
The other will find a section corner and then dummy a point 2640' due east....and I find him 5' north of the R/W fence looking for a quarter corner....:pinch:
Actually they're not quite that bad. But they both are good employees and follow my instructions explicitly...and that in itself is worth a wheelbarrow load of dimes!
paden cash, post: 376030, member: 20 wrote: ...using the bearings on a plat...and not be able to understand the setup is not oriented to the plat. He then can't understand why his "calc" point and the pin he found don't fit each other.
Teach the boy how to subtend a bearing and use the interior angle. 🙂
Kris Morgan, post: 376033, member: 29 wrote: Teach the boy how to subtend a bearing and use the interior angle. 🙂
baby steps...
I wish I was out in the field more often and they would for sure get a good schoolin'. And there is also a little 'method to my madness' in keeping a good tight leash on them..if you know what I mean.
paden cash, post: 376035, member: 20 wrote: baby steps...
I wish I was out in the field more often and they would for sure get a good schoolin'. And there is also a little 'method to my madness' in keeping a good tight leash on them..if you know what I mean.
You'd have thought I bought them a new house when I showed them how to do it and they didn't spend a lot of time working for a corner. It also forced them to read and understand the working sketch very good. Of course, it helps if I make a good working sketch for them. When I do and they eff up, they hear about it. 🙂
paden cash, post: 376030, member: 20 wrote: That is always a viable option and we utilize it quite a bit. In my case I have one PC that can perform that function so well (he thinks) that he will punch in points in the DC...using the bearings on a plat...and not be able to understand the setup is not oriented to the plat. He then can't understand why his "calc" point and the pin he found don't fit each other. He's the one I have to watch...
The other will find a section corner and then dummy a point 2640' due east....and I find him 5' north of the R/W fence looking for a quarter corner....:pinch:
Actually they're not quite that bad. But they both are good employees and follow my instructions explicitly...and that in itself is worth a wheelbarrow load of dimes!
I use stake out a lot as a tape. John Evers taught me that one. Shoot a stake then stake to it. Watch the radial distance. It's like rolling out a tape except that you don't have to roll epochs back into the rover.
paden cash, post: 375978, member: 20 wrote: All my guys know they better carry something to measure with....
Colonial surveyors carry a pole 😀
or....
You'd walk funny too if you hade a 16.5' rod
Wow. Late to the party as always. I'm sure glad I don't work in the area of Mr. Super Surveyor Kent, I bet he is a joy to follow up or even worse him follow you. My go to tool is a locator then a GPS.
Who cares what you name your company, it's your company. Your company introduces you to the public, your people/you is what sells your service and your good work/doing what you said you would do builds a repeat client base.
Btw I've seen some companies with similar names to some of the goofy names that Kent can come up with charge more for their services than SOME of the first/last name practitioners could even dream up (in line with the liability IMO) AND SOME DO A DARN GOOD JOB. Guess what they get more work at a higher price than most due to their work ethic and PEOPLE SKILLS.
TXSurveyor, post: 376085, member: 6719 wrote: Who cares what you name your company, it's your company.
That does seem to be the prevailing attitude in some of the metro areas. I've even heard of land surveyors with readerboards in front of their offices advertisting "specials".
Kent McMillan, post: 376094, member: 3 wrote: That does seem to be the prevailing attitude in some of the metro areas. I've even heard of land surveyors with readerboards in front of their offices advertisting "specials".
"Twofer Tuesdays!"
Buy a pin survey and get an elevation cert thrown in for free. Another 10% off for signing up and following the company on twitter...
James Fleming, post: 376038, member: 136 wrote: Colonial surveyors carry a pole 😀
or....
You'd walk funny too if you hade a 16.5' rod
You saying he has a perch in his pocket.
Anyone ever use those hand held lasers from lieca? Always wanted to get one.
A Harris, post: 376116, member: 81 wrote: You saying he has a perch in his pocket.
Is that a vara in your pocket; or, are you just happy to be a surveyor...
Total Station all day everyday. GPS has its place, but not a replacement for the total station.
paden cash, post: 375978, member: 20 wrote: OK. I agree. But here's a serious question: Do you carry a roll-up chain or tape also?
Reason I'm asking is because my hands drive me nuts with their "pacing". Now granted we all ought to be able to pace 50 or 60 feet when kicking up pins and not be too far off. But when I pull and see a PC and his hand 600' from a known point and they're out there waving the Schonstedt around like a magic wand...and they don't have the slightest idea where they are really at. Drives me nuts...And I hate it when I tell them to "pull 50 feet off that nail" and I look and he's pacing away....
All my guys know they better carry something to measure with....
I'm constantly asking "did you use the chain" but I guess since they see my boots are calibrated when I'm with them they don't feel they need the chain to measure when they on their own.
GPS any day, all day. A total station is painfully slow compared to GPS in an open area. See the clip below, which is shopping center parking. I timed that section and what you see took all of 70 minutes. Could you really do it that fast with a total station (plenty of cars in the way).
I am so happy there are people who enjoy doing those kinds of jobs because I have zero interest in them. Seriously, we each have what we find to be of interest and profitable. I'll be happy to send people your way if you'll send some my way. I've been there and done that and did not find any pleasure other than eventually cashing a check. I'm not into dipping inverts, either. I've done it, made some money, but prefer to find my dollars elsewhere.
Some of us love Ford. Some love Chevy. Some love Honda. Viva la difference.
