For one of the first times in my life, I capped a FOUND monument, because I accepted it, and it was real old.
I always felt that I should cap my own mons, not somebody else's.
What do you think about it?
One time, I found where another surveyor had found one of my rebar, that had been bumped a bit, and my cap was gone. They added their cap. I felt that it did not belong.
Now, I am just rambling, and re-thinking my position.
I like being challenged in my thinking, so I will think things through in a deeper way.
Nate
why would you do this? i don't believe it is ethcial or even legal....
Everybody is entitled to their own position but I wish you wouldn't. A cap is akin to a signature and while you accepted the position, you didn't set that pin. You may be taking away some age and reference value by having a shiny new cap on the monument.
I'm publishing my plat, with notes, what I found, and that I capped it. Yes, it sort of buggs me that I did it. But, knowing that another surveyor may cap it, I'd druther it had mine. With my published plat, and all. IF it did not bother me a bit, well, I would not be discussing it like this on this forum.
~ N
Did you also urinate on the rebar and tie your own flagging on the rebar?
I don't like the idea. You said you came across a monument that looked very old to you ... now it has a brand new cap on it ... giving the impression it was just recently set. I'm sure your intentions were good, but changing the appearance of evidence can call into question the value of the evidence. Would you have been as willing to accept the monument if it was "off" a bit and looked like it was set very recently?
Edit: I now see that you are going to record the survey. I'm not in a recording state, so we don't have that luxury. That should clear up future confusion.
> Did you also urinate on the rebar and tie your own flagging on the rebar?
i don't care who ya are thats funny right there
If you cap an original rod, there must be some way of putting that information into your survey report of record to let others know.
You could also stamp that fact onto the cap (set 1945, found 3/02/2012) and document that with picture and detail notes on plat.
Hopefully the next surveyor will do their homework and search records to know those facts.
why would you do this? i don't believe it is ethcial or even legal....
i agree with this
Recording state? If your completed survey plat is a public record, no problem with it. If your survey plat is not a public record, then did your field notes (legal description) get filed in conjunction with a deed and is your action described in the field notes? If none of the above, then probably a bad idea to mark someone else's monument.
> why would you do this? i don't believe it is ethcial or even legal....
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> i agree with this
It is required in some states. I.E. New Mexico. It is neither required nor illegal in most states of which I am aware of such requirements. I see no ethic problem either.
Leave it alone as found. You will be recording your survey anyway, why ugly up a nice ancient found pin with a plastic cap.:bad:
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.....
I would never cap a "found", only a "set".
Never, Nate
I believe that in Texas, in general, that is frowned upon with extreme prejudice.
I would like to see the regs that require this. Just curious.
> I would never cap a "found", only a "set".
same here.
seems like it would just confuse the situation.
In California, it's required.
If you're accepting an uncapped monument as the original, undisturbed one, why not leave a proper identifier and place the information in the public record.
Of course, given the precept that we are to follow in the footsteps of those who have gone before us...
[sarcasm]...it is good practice to walk across the ground as though we are on rain-washed granite wearing moccasins: leave nothing behind...not even hints of footprints. Less liability that way![/sarcasm]
No wonder others think so little of us when we talk about "pissing on monuments" in the same way we discuss placing tags bearing our license numbers!
I thought that I had read on this site a while ago that someone said that they were required to cap a found monument if it wasn't already. It seemed really strange to me, and as others stated, I would not want to do that - however we are not required to do so. I kinda see the logic, if you rely on it, then you should be willing to take some responsibility for it.
If I was required to tag a found monument, I would probably have some special caps made, with FOUND or ACCEPTED and my license # on it, that way someone could easily tell if I set or found the monument, and it would still comply with the regs.
Nate did good
"Fd. 3/4" I.P. set by UG Jackson 1937" falling 0.12'N & 0.08'W of calculated position. In my opinion this is a far sight less professional than Nate's adding a cap to an accepted position. Nate's cap is a very effectual validation of an existing monument as the deed corner. We as surveyors may retain emotional reservations out of respect for those we follow, but for the layman Nate's cap is a statement of clarity, "this is the corner". Spare the profession a nearby but separate rod and cap or a calculated falling.
