Should we move our own monuments?

It is what it is... 6 of 1, half a dozen. You already moved it so there you have it

Is "Best Evidence" a bent over bar ?

Not in my book if it can be shown that it is not at the true corner as you set it Nate.

The use of an obviously bent bar is idiopathic of a 'who cares' attitude that we run into in this area on a regular basis by persons who ably display their level of work ethic and professionalism.

Cheers,

Derek

You done good, Boy. Pat yerself on da back.

I'm one of those wierdo's who use a shovel to determine where the "vertical alignment" would be for bent over rebar. Then I use that.

I've even gone so far as to yank it out, make it straight, and put it back where that "vertical alignment" was intended to be. Sometimes I just set my own in their hole. And it will be indicated as such on my recorded map. Then the next guy won't have my problem.

But that is just a professional opinion and the contrary may be shown.

Now, if they are just leaning over and not bent....Houston we may have a problem

Example of all found monuments hold over record attitude. Unless you have a history of bending your monuments like that for identification purposes, the surveyor who held the top of the rod was not shooting the undisturbed location of that pin. I like to spin that type of thing and shoot the center of the spin mark and note what I did. If I have reason to believe it was bent by anything but the surveyor who set it, I often will pull it carefully, whack it with a hammer until straight and put it back into the hole, soil conditions are the controlling factor about doing that or just rejecting the monument and setting a new one, all noted in the surveyors narrative.
jud

I pull and straighten bent rebars and pipes if at all possible. Otherwise the next survey crew that comes along will shoot the top of the bent rod or pipe and prepare a set of field notes that will disagree with the field notes you prepared. That's not what I would call "moving" a monument.

Nate,
Care to give us a S-T-R or a link to the plat(s)? I would be happy to review and contact the Surveyor(s) involved.

[sarcasm]If it was me that found yer crooked stob, I would have pulled it out and thrown the dang thing into the nearest thicket[/sarcasm]

DDSM:-D

[sarcasm]just set another iron at the correct position.[/sarcasm]

When my notes prove that a man made monument has moved by any reason, I relocate them to their original glory.
:gammon:

Don't say move, say rehabilitate, sounds much better.

You rehabilited and perpetuated the best available evidence. Failure to do so would earn you a hearty shame on you.

> It is what it is... 6 of 1, half a dozen. You already moved it so there you have it

Best answer :good:

> Don't say move, say rehabilitate, sounds much better.

Doin' the Penry 😛

how does a bent re-bar count as 'original and undisturbed'?

call him wrong

What's it got to do with the deed? The deed shouldn't change!

I was wondering the same about the deed. If it's my rebar and the cap has been mangled, then I'll pull it, straighten it, put it back, and replace the cap. I'm working on one now that has an uncapped rebar,(referenced on a previous record of survey) which, either I will reject, or put my cap on, depending on where it turns out to be, since it is a retracement corner, not an original.

Not this time... but maybe sometime. Life has many enigmas. Surveyors face some of them.

"Now, my deed is 0.46' different than his."

What? Did you mis-speak/type, or do you mis-understand? There are never two deeds for the same parcel...

5/8 rebar makes a piss poor monument in my opinion. It is the same material that every contractor uses to pull string line for marking before construction, every common home owner has laying in a junk pile and will use to tie his dog to. What I find is surveyors will pound the rebar and let the bottom wander as they are pounding it then straighten the top to where the point is. So if you go check the newly set mons they are all nice little plastic caps at the surface set flush, but if you dig down 1/2-3/4 of a foot you find what looks like a pretzel, and that is what you are going to see when you recover the monument at some future time, most likely, and you are going to think the re-bar must of been hit because no surveyor would set one like that??? Try to do that with a 1" ip. It isn't going to bend unless something substantial hits it. I know my chainmen always thought I was a nit picker because I was always barking at them to plumb up the hub/pipe....so it would go into the ground plumb and the bottom would be the same point as the top. I think some surveyors consider re-bar a labor saver because they can pound the bottom any where and still get the top where they want it, in the end....then the next poor bastard comes along and finds a pretzel and leaves him scratching his head. My 2 cents. Jp