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I've seen photos of this before, but have never encountered it in the wild until today.?ÿ Whoever set the one on the right would only have had to dig down about an inch to find the original.


 
Posted : July 1, 2021 3:46 pm
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I thought this was gonna be a true confession. ?ÿI doubt these were yours.


 
Posted : July 1, 2021 4:12 pm
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I find it difficult to believe an LS in responsible charge would do such a thing.?ÿ But, there's your photo.?ÿ Is it possible they're on a subdivision boundary and one controls the lot line to the south and the other controls a lot line to the north?


 
Posted : July 1, 2021 4:15 pm
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Given that this license expired in 2014 and eventually cancelled, I'm curious if there was ever a map filed.?ÿ Jim?


 
Posted : July 1, 2021 4:35 pm
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Posted by: @mike-marks

I find it difficult to believe an LS in responsible charge would do such a thing.

But was the LS ever on site?


 
Posted : July 1, 2021 4:36 pm

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It's a 2003 Final Map, and those caps belong to the surveyor of record.?ÿ I suspect a crew was sent to replace a "lost" marker and they just didn't look, but that's just a guess.

And no, that's not me!


 
Posted : July 1, 2021 4:44 pm
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Posted by: @mike-marks

Is it possible they're on a subdivision boundary and one controls the lot line to the south and the other controls a lot line to the north?

Not in this case, it's a front lot corner in the middle of a block.


 
Posted : July 1, 2021 4:45 pm
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Perhaps these fall into a category similar to one for a certain variety of gas elimination:?ÿ silent, but deadly.

Perhaps there was no signal for the existing bar that had the peewaddun beat out of it prior to the cap being applied.?ÿ The onsite laborer was unfamiliar with the "null" circumstance that occurs from time to time.?ÿ Stopping even a quarter inch from the cap with no loud signal may lead to such a pincushion.?ÿ It helps if your precision both times was so excellent that you can't drive the second bar because it is hitting something pretty darned solid (the first bar) almost immediately.


 
Posted : July 1, 2021 6:44 pm
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I have seen this once also. I chalked it up to a (very) bad field crew.


 
Posted : July 1, 2021 6:55 pm
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Its an easy fix, simply use the first set one.


 
Posted : July 1, 2021 9:01 pm

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Amazing how many crews don't get out the old trusty shovel. Incredible what you can find just by digging down a little bit.


 
Posted : July 1, 2021 10:41 pm
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What's?ÿ amazing is that the surveyor in responsible charge dosen't ensure that the crews are properly trained and understand that finding the original corners is significantly more important the the time spent finding them.......

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Posted : July 1, 2021 11:03 pm
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@jim-frame?ÿ

Off topic, may I ask what app/device/software you use to get the lat/lon and other info on the photo??ÿ

Thanks


 
Posted : July 2, 2021 10:25 am
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@cf-67 I'm using an Android app called Open Camera.?ÿ It's free, no ads, and seems to do a nice job.


 
Posted : July 2, 2021 4:54 pm
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look, i had to do that once (there is photographic evidence on here to prove it) and didn't like it one bit, but it wasn't a pincushion- it was me rebuilding where some knucklehead platted a lot corner about two tenths from a PC in the r.o.w.


 
Posted : July 2, 2021 5:14 pm

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@flyin-solo?ÿ

Engineer-designed ?


 
Posted : July 3, 2021 6:18 am
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@flyin-solo?ÿ

I've seen it too many times. Lazy design


 
Posted : July 3, 2021 6:40 am
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@flyin-solo

I've decided on a solution for those. Less than a couple of feet only the PC (property corner) gets monumented, the PC (point of curve) is shown as not set. Setting and burying the curve point is another option.


 
Posted : July 3, 2021 6:54 am
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@mightymoe?ÿ

This can also helped?ÿ by setting a more respectable cap (aluminum or brass, at least 2") that can be stamped in a clear way to explain itself.

I know, someone will chime in and say that people won't read it or understand it anyway. That could happen, but at least we tried to them, and sometimes not setting a corner is not an option.?ÿ

I really don't get why saving a few bucks a corner is worth those plastic caps.?ÿ


 
Posted : July 3, 2021 8:11 pm
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@aliquot?ÿ

All my caps are stenciled with that info. Have been for decades, it doesn't help much, although I've had a few calls over the years asking what the markings on the caps mean. Putting two monuments near a corner creates a 50/50 chance that the correct one will be used for the new fence.?ÿ


 
Posted : July 4, 2021 6:54 am

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