I use simple calipers and have both the inside, and outside types. Gauge the object and hold it against the ruler for a measurement.
The purpose of the measurement is to identify what I found and to make notes on the map. I also note the type of material, and how far the object is below or above the ground.
All measurements are in feet and decimal feet because those are the units on the map.
The description is intended to aid another surveyor or anyone wishing to verify the object is the one noted on the map. I do not feel it is necessary to identify whether it is the inside of outside diameter.?ÿ
And here I was just flopping a tape on top of the pipe and eyeballing it. ?????ÿ
I still can't believe that this is any real concern.?ÿ I follow a stonewall a 1000' into the woods, and there's a pipe near the end of it, and I'm going to wonder if it's the point I'm looking for, because it's not the exact diameter that someone else called out?
Sure, I'll roll my eyes if it's a 1 1/2" and someone labeled it a 1/2", but still...it is what it is
Leave it at that and you might find a 1 1/2" 'er and fail to look for the 1/2" that is a foot away and 6" down.?ÿ
I heard it was used pipe from dump or junk yard back in the day.?ÿ So it was rusty and weak not a fresh stick of 3/4" galvanized or black pipe we would get from the hardware today.?ÿ That's why the comment about the shear press creating the same pinch was interesting to me for "modern" pinch pipe.?ÿ Around where I work now in southern Oregon the same surveyor set pinched pipe and was known for it.?ÿ Since Oregon wasn't a recording (filing) state until 47 when you find a pinch pipe and no filed survey it leaves evidence of where the monument may of came from.?ÿ Jp
Ha, ok, I'm going to look around a bit first.?ÿ But thanks for that.?ÿ How far down this rabbit hole are we going now?
I had a girlfriend with that tattoo.?ÿ There were was no lying to her.?ÿ 🙂 Jp?ÿ
If a 1/2" is called for and I find a 3/4", I probably do my happy dance and scrape around a bit more just to be sure. If I find a 1 1/2" 'er, I figure its a broken off fence post and keep looking. There are young, impressionable minds reading this stuff.?ÿ
Finding something is job one.?ÿ Determining whether or not that could possibly be a monument is job two.?ÿ Making the final decision is job three.?ÿ Too many only get as far as job one and assume they are ready to move on to another corner to search for.?ÿ Numbers be damned, the description says?ÿ "more or less" anyway, so who really cares.
Real land surveyors know that every piece of evidence is subject to scrutiny.?ÿ Several months ago someone came on this site and was having a problem with a description.?ÿ Several monuments had been found but they didn't match the description real well.?ÿ We told him to look at a second spot in the road intersection something like 2.1 feet to the east and 0.9 feet to the south to see if there might be another monument there.?ÿ He looked and he found.?ÿ Then things came together rather well.?ÿ He had found what he thought to be the correct section corner quite easily and did not question its authenticity relative to his tract.?ÿ That made the other three corners appear to be in error.
Lots of cut off fence posts have been mistaken for corner monuments.?ÿ
Definitely.?ÿ And sometimes they are exactly where the monument was set.?ÿ Then the landowner or fence builder jerked out the monument, dug a hole and planted a post where the monument had been placed.?ÿ I see one of my bars from time to time as I drive by the job site.?ÿ It was pulled out to place a corner post right there.?ÿ Someone then drove it more or less horizontally into the side of an old power pole a few feet away.?ÿ My cap is still visible on the end of the bar.
Yes, like all things, it depends.
In my above post I thought it was clear I was talking about being out in the hinterlands, where wooden posts and old wire may sprout up, but certainly no chain link fence pole.
So...a 3/4" pipe is not 3/4" ID or OD? Interesting.
I needed it for a turning point.?ÿ Thought I pulled the cap off before pounding it into the pole.?ÿ There was no fence post set when I pulled it.
What is hinterlands now, may have been the intersection of four fences 20 years ago, or a monument farm when the next surveyor is visiting 100 years from now.?ÿ
This is why the regulation of our profession is necessary for public protection. It is not human nature to worry about the well being of our people a few generations into the future, but that is one of the functions of government.?ÿ
A man can take pride in being a stone wall surveyor.?ÿ Nothing like retracing a 200+ year old survey bound almost completely by stone walls on 3 sides and a road on the 4th.?ÿ They did some mighty fine surveying and built some mighty fine walls back then.?ÿ
Ok, I understand that we're on opposite sides of most issues here.?ÿ But look up the word, and if you've never been to rural New England, up in the mountains or deep in the woods, then maybe you can't appreciate the near certainty that I have that no chain link fence remains would be there.?ÿ?ÿ
My scenario was just to illustrate the point that you need to have a very open mind when considering described pipe sizes.
Kansas Monument Standards:?ÿ "pipe not less the ?«" inside diameter or a solid rod not less than ?«" in diameter, and with a minimum length of 24 inches."
I have spent time in rural New England, and I am sure your assessment of the situation is spot on, but neither of us can predict the future.?ÿ
