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I have used 9 gauge concrete nails in the past for pinning corners in the concrete footing for residential home construction, but the concrete nails have declined in quality, in my opinion, and now are difficult to set.?ÿ They fly off like tiny springs and bend more easily.

What nail would you suggest for this application?


 
Posted : August 25, 2022 7:31 am
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I think I would scribe a small X at the desired location, fill in the scribe mark with a black sharpie, then spray clearcoat to seal. Let the mason put in their own nail to pull their string lines from.


 
Posted : August 25, 2022 7:35 am
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Thats an idea,?ÿ if it rains though before the mason has a chance to start, the mud in the footing would tend to obliterate the marks once scraped clear with a shovel, I would think.


 
Posted : August 25, 2022 7:54 am
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@gordon-svedberg?ÿ

not if you spray clear coat over it


 
Posted : August 25, 2022 8:13 am
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Another solution would be to drill a pilot hole and epoxy a nail to the footer so a string line could be pulled tight.


 
Posted : August 25, 2022 8:18 am

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Of course a lot of it depends on how soon you pin the footers after they are poured.?ÿ For a day or two, the concrete is pretty soft and you cold almost use 16d nails.?ÿ If you wanted to haul a little more equipment around, you could use a Ramset that drives a nail in with a .22 blank into any concrete.


 
Posted : August 25, 2022 8:19 am
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Mag nail


 
Posted : August 25, 2022 8:25 am
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You can hammer drill a hole in green concrete very quickly.?ÿ Then, if needed, set a mag nail...


 
Posted : August 25, 2022 8:28 am
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Lately all the concrete footers I have dealt with have been well cured already unfortunately,?ÿ Maybe I am getting old, but it seems the concrete mix has also gotten harder for residential homes as opposed to commercial.?ÿ I have thought about the ram set (that is what my son wants!),?ÿ but have never had a chance to talk with a surveyor that actually uses one.

?ÿ


 
Posted : August 25, 2022 8:32 am
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@jim-in-az?ÿ ?ÿWhat size do you use??ÿ I have a sack of 1 1/2" that I plan to try but they seem too fat.


 
Posted : August 25, 2022 8:34 am

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@gordon-svedberg?ÿ

I've used a ramset before; a long time ago...

It worked ok; you had to work on the accuracy?ÿ

?ÿ

Mag Nail is pretty much all we use today


 
Posted : August 25, 2022 9:45 am
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Posted by: @gordon-svedberg

pinning corners in the concrete footing for residential home

While in business for 30+ years (retired now) and staking thousands of new houses I have never had to do that. Aren't the house corners, hub and tack, with grade stake sufficient for the masons? ?????ÿ


 
Posted : August 25, 2022 10:12 am
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@flga-2-2 I have been setting concrete nails in the footing for 50 years.?ÿ (I started when I was 18)

We have rarely set offsets.


 
Posted : August 25, 2022 10:23 am
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I ordered the smallest mag nail with the tabs.


 
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GIF

 
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Posted by: @gordon-svedberg

I ordered the smallest mag nail with the tabs.

Do you have to show the "masons" where they are before string line time? ????


 
Posted : August 25, 2022 10:41 am
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@flga-2-2?ÿ No,?ÿ they have their own Fraternity for that.?ÿ ?ÿ : )


 
Posted : August 25, 2022 11:05 am
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@flga-2-2?ÿ


GIF

 
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Posted by: @flga-2-2

While in business for 30+ years (retired now) and staking thousands of new houses I have never had to do that. Aren't the house corners, hub and tack, with grade stake sufficient for the masons

A lot of the country has these things called basements (unlike Florida where the water table is like 36" below the surface). Counting on the mason to transfer the corners from the hubs into an 8' deep hole can get "problematic" when the house is sitting on the setback line.?ÿ


 
Posted : August 25, 2022 12:57 pm
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I recently pinned a residential footing that had 4 dozen perimeter corners, one bay had 8 angle points.?ÿ I was about shot by the end (not realizing that I was coming down with covid)


 
Posted : August 25, 2022 1:29 pm

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