Old Iron pipe

Ok.... Loosing sleep for you! (Grin)

N

"After passage of long periods of time, existing boundaries established in good faith and relied upon should become fixed so that title and location is stabilized." (Longview Fibre Co., 135 IBLA 170, 183). "Where Surveys have established boundaries with approximate and reasonable accuracy the government should not undertake to move them." (Salt Wells Live Stock Co., A-26367 (May 9, 1952).

People using "old" and "1971" in the same sentence are just pups.?ÿ I graduated high school, moved out on my own, got married and started college in 1971.?ÿ That was merely a few years back.

Posted by: @holy-cow

People using "old" and "1971" in the same sentence are just pups.?ÿ I graduated high school, moved out on my own, got married and started college in 1971.?ÿ That was merely a few years back.

When my oldest was about 6 or 7 (he's 48 now) he and a buddy had ventured off into the woods and found an old barn complete with what he described as "a antique car".?ÿ It caught my interest.?ÿ With visions of a 1930 Studebaker in good condition swimming around in my head I followed the boys for about a half mile through the woods to see their "find".

And there is was...a dusty 1966 Chevy Impala in not too bad a shape.?ÿ The last year it had been tagged was only a few years earlier I think.

Antique indeed... 😉

Posted by: @holy-cow

People using "old" and "1971" in the same sentence are just pups.?ÿ I graduated high school, moved out on my own, got married and started college in 1971.?ÿ That was merely a few years back.

1971 was my FOURTH year of surveying, but I don't think I was working in MightyMoe's neck of the woods (other side of the state maybe).

In any case, I don't consider any monument set during my lifetime as being particularly "old" (even if I DO feel OLD most days). Hell, that monument wouldn't even qualify for Social Security yet!?ÿ?ÿ

🙂

Loyal

I started surveying in '69 and WWII was still a fairly recent memory to a lot of folks at that time.

I do remember back then working off of some highway plans that were from the '20s and finding their control from their references.?ÿ They didn't really seem all that 'old' but were before my time.?ÿ

It's hard to imagine but those pins were set pretty close to a hundred years ago...

wow...I think I need a nap...?ÿ

@paden-cash

And just think, there are monuments out there that you set nearly half a century ago (me too).

Andy

Thank you all for making me feel like a young whipper-snapper,

although my back, ankle,?ÿ shoulder and another part or two that would qualify as TMI are singing a different tune.

Speaking of WWII, there are a whole lot of corners in my home county that are marked with what are locally known as "buttonhead monuments," typically a 1"x36" pipe with a heavy knob welded on top.?ÿ Scuttlebutt has it that they're?ÿ surplus WWII tent stakes that were bought in pallet quantities by a local firm.?ÿ I'm always happy to find one.

@dave-karoly

Do not move the ancient boundary which your fathers have set.

Proverbs 22:28

@jim-frame

This one is in Amador County:

Posted by: @holy-cow

People using "old" and "1971" in the same sentence are just pups.?ÿ I graduated high school, moved out on my own, got married and started college in 1971.?ÿ That was merely a few years back.

Wasn't even born in 1971.

Around here they're rarely stamped, and if they are it's with the surveyor's license number.?ÿ

There are a number of physical variations on the knob, some are like the one in Dave's photo, others are more squat and rounded over.

?ÿ

Posted by: @dave-karoly

"After passage of long periods of time, existing boundaries established in good faith and relied upon should become fixed so that title and location is stabilized." (Longview Fibre Co., 135 IBLA 170, 183). "Where Surveys have established boundaries with approximate and reasonable accuracy the government should not undertake to move them." (Salt Wells Live Stock Co., A-26367 (May 9, 1952).

The hard part is determining what "good faith"?ÿ and "approximate and reasonable accuracy " are.

@jim-frame

Across the Flint River from our farm was Turner Air Force Base (now closed).  There was a trash dump that, with just a little work, was accessible from the river bank.  A cousin and I used to scavenge stuff from there.  Looking back there were excellent materials to use as monuments.  I remember seeing several .50 caliber machine gun barrels with the top 6 inches or so either chromed or nickel plated.  The other end was larger and had threads for attaching it to the plane.

Andy

@dmyhill

Yea, why set a new monument where a perfectly good iron pipe exist?

@andy-bruner

There's quite a few out there that I've set that are a lot older than a ?« a century. Time sure flew when you were having fun.

@dave-karoly

I was a party chief on the Longview Fibre job and saw where the first "dependent resurvey" didn't follow any of the rules in the BLM manual of the era. When you find original evidence of accessories and the second surveyor apparently didn't look for them (bearing trees) but used the opposite side of the tree for a new accessory, was he really doing a dependent survey? The BLM stated because the second survey lines where relied upon by landowner through long use, they should stand. We were in an area remote enough the only people going into the area were timber cruisers, surveyors and hunters without occupation lines of any kind. It still gets in my craw.

@howard-surveyor

I've seen the same thing, although in my case the "new" monuments are 1500' from the original, the response from the BLM was since all the patented property had transferred prior to the discovery then the new plat and monuments hold over the original monuments and plat. In my case it wasn't only hunters and timber cruisers.