Consider the problems this creates for the surveyors whose pins have been moved. If they are now in the wrong location they can possibly face liability if something gets built in the wrong location. Find a way to either inform the proper governing people, or at the very least the surveyors who have been affected and they will probably take it from there. Thanks for recognizing something that is wrong and asking for help.
Jerry has a very valid point... do you want YOUR pins moved around, by some surveyor, who has a differing opinion?
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[sarcasm]Hey, if you can't accept 'em, why not move 'em.[/sarcasm]
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Hey, Dennis! That last sentence is rather interesting, no?
I'm from Illinois and I'm active in IPLSA on the local level.
Someone has listed the state statute related to moving corners. As surveyors, we give opinions. This is an instance where you need to take the opinion of a surveyor with a grain of salt. Since the statute is somewhat vague, I think it best to seek an opinion of legal counsel.
You are in a difficult spot. If your boss finds out what you're up to, you might be out of a job. If it is found his practices are against state statute, you might be out of a job.
You can call IPLSA at the state level and just throw the situation out there. Let them determine if it warrants further action. Keep in mind, IPLSA has no authority over a surveyor's actions. All they can do is revoke membership. You will have to file a case with IDPR to have any official action taken against his license.
If you have aspirations of becoming licensed, now is the time to bring this up. If you call someone out when you have a license, expect to be put under the spotlight as well. Besides, as a licensed surveyor, it is our duty to report anyone we know to not be surveying per state statutes. I commend you on wanting to do what is right.
Out of curiosity, generally what part of Illinois? I'm in the southwest part of the state.
If you want, feel free to email me through my profile. I'll try to help anyway I can.
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Could it be a case of "Found disturbed, Re-established"? What are the rules in the USA in this case? Do surveyors re-establish or just don't touch bars and leave as is?
What is the maximum # of pins that can be placed on a corner?
Your boss should not be licensed.
Regardless of law or ethics why would one even exert the energy to remove someone else's pin? Too much effort without any financial gain, thus a waste of time.
Have a great weekend! B-)
But that is to move a monument set in error, rather than moving a monument that does not agree with the math.
I don't know how it works in Illinois, but around here that would not fly. You are not supposed to remove survey markers. If you disagree by a significant amount you can set your own marker in the position where you think it belongs. If it is relatively close, why not just show that you found a witness mark some distance away from where you calculate the corner to be?
That being said, I also don't think it is your place to report anyone to the board. You have had no damages caused to you or your property to warrant a complaint. That would have to come from a party that was adversely affected by these practices.
> That being said, I also don't think it is your place to report anyone to the board. You have had no damages caused to you or your property to warrant a complaint. That would have to come from a party that was adversely affected by these practices.
Disagree, This would be classified as Whistle Blowing in my book. Most states have something in the Licensing of a Professional that they protect the welfare of the public. The public is being harmed by his employer's actions.
This may be a slight exaggeration to make my point but:
If you are a draftsman for a Engineer who is cutting corners in his designs that could cause a building to collapse, do you not report it because you will never be in said building or adversely affected by these practices?
c'mon man!
this has got to be a bogus post from a new ID user who started the thread.
I hope you are right.
Bogus post or not, the responses were interesting. Surveyors can't agree on anything other than (usually) which quadrant the sun will come up in.
Jeff Lucas had some great points regarding this topic at our conference this year.
Couldn't agree more. If the public is effected then it should be reported.
I had a boss once that would pull his own pins if he wasn't paid. He would hand us a pipe wrench and say "make sure you pull all the pins". Most of the time we would go to the local coffee shop for something to eat and never pull the pins. The old timer I worked with just didn't think it was right to pull pins.
That being said we never pulled another Surveyors pin/pipe. Once in a while we did end up replacing pins if they had been badly damaged.
Never move another surveyor's pin. I ran into once instance where I moved (removed) another surveyor's monument. We were searching for property corners for a construction project and came across two rebar on a platted lot about 0.20' apart. This in and of itself is not that uncommon. However the rebar were by the same surveyor. After a brief phone call to said surveyor, the monument that appeared to be out of place was removed and he the other surveyor was thankful...and a tad embarrased.
NOT LEGAL
NOT ETHICAL
When I began surveying, I was taught to keep a daily log of things.
Pulling a pin as instructed by my employer would definitely be something I would record in my ledger along with some details of what, where, who, why, etc.
When you are working for someone you are doing their bidding.
Once you are on your own, then your rules abide.
Come back here often and you will have an opportunity to get some good learning.
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Thank you for your response. I went to your profile and am not sure how to contact you through it.
