In the mortgage inspection kingdom of New Jersey, I would be
happy for twice the iron at a corner versus nothing like much of your state.
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So, if you saw a crime committed, say, a drive by shooting, you could not complain, unless you had been shot and hit?
Just thinkin out loud!
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That is exactly the statutue that I was talking about.
Somebody will eventually report him. If you're new, be advised the monuments are pretty much sacred and the distances are evidence of where the the monuments should be in relation to one another.
A competent surveyor should definitely know better if he's doing this deliberately.
If they're corners he thought were his and that he set wrong or his crew set wrong, that's one thing. Still iffy, but understandable.
But if he's deliberately moving another surveyors pins, he's in bad territory.
That said, I heard a statement at a conference a couple of years ago that her employer had to completely re-stake another surveyors 50 lot recorded subdivision because "all the corners were two feet off".
So unfortunately grasshopper, there are some out there practicing who shouldn't be.
Run.... don't walk to another position with another L.S.
Your getting bad trainning that will not serve you well in the future...
This is un-acceptable on sooooo many levels......
ALL- I am discussing the situation with girard via private email. As you are aware, he is in a unique position that warrants anonymity. If any results come out of this, I will let you know.
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I can't believe that the intent of the law is that a surveyor is authorized to move someone else's monument to a new location. Remove and replace in another location perhaps, but not to reuse the same monument in a new location. That would be about the same as if another surveyor got hold of one of your original maps, erased a couple dimensions and changed them, didn't do anything else to the map to take credit for the change, and refiled the map with your original stamp and signature.
It's a very poorly written law, but I would presume that there is another code section in IL law that states that a surveyor must mark their monuments with their license number. If that is the case, then at a minimum, the surveyor would have to affix his own tag over the other's cap/tag or be in violation.
Like others, I consider the practice as described by Girard to be unprofessional, unethical, and most likely illegal, even in IL.
Having said that, there are times when it may be appropriate to remove and replace a monument in a different location, such as when you can be quite certain from evidence that it has been moved from its original location, or where you can be certain beyond mere disagreement of measurement that it was set per the effect of a gross blunder AND you do so with the full knowledge and consent of all affected landowners AND you clearly indicate the replacement on your filed (if your law requires and/or allows for filing) map with a tie to the replaced monument's found location AND you replace it with your own monument or at least securely affix your tag to the original monument.
My advice would be: 1) make very certain that you have all of your facts straight, 2) if your employer is doing this in a clearly illegal manner, start looking for other employment, and 3) if you are certain you have all the facts and have them straight and are certain it is being done in an illegal manner, give the other LS just enough info to look into it for himself and do with the situation what he chooses to do with it.
But be very careful. If you are wrong on this and your boss is doing this in a manner that does not violate the law and is considered acceptable practice in IL, you will be seen as being disloyal to your employer by blowing smoke where there is no fire. If word gets back to your current boss, your employment there will probably be very short, very uncomfortable, or both. And in looking for other employment, you may find that your reputation might precede you, making it difficult to find another job locally as surveying is a small community and no one wants to hire someone who might cause trouble by making or insinuating a false accusation against them.