Old part of town and loaded with opinions.
Tis Spring
And everything is shooting up all over the place.
Why are you using what you are using?
What is your conclusion?
What did you do?
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Differences in "NORTH" possibly? Pick the one that best fits TRUE NORTH and go with it. How could you be wrong?
I'm going with that honking 2" pin......that's a serious statement, not like those "woosie" pins and caps!
Get a position on all of them, calculate an average position and set a new one 😉
Thoughts that come to mind
I used the ____ because I believed it to be the oldest, due to ____ deed.
I used the ____ because it was set by _____ and he is a real fart smeller.
I used the ____ because it fit most of the deeds, except the ___ one. Seemed to generate harmony.
I took a pic of the little farm, and sent a copy to each surveyor, who had been in there, and asked their advice.
Who cares, everybody is probably mortgaged to the hilt anyway!
🙂
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Anyone who would do that doesn't understand the "art" of surveying.
That is absolutely horrible. I would tell them to call all the other guys in there all at once and rub their noses in it. They need brought before the town council and all get a kick in the a$$.
Is that a fence corner at the upper mid left?
I’d start with the 2” IP and see how everything fit that way. These days, at least in “Florida World”, nobody sets 2” pipes anymore because they are too expensive. That fact alone would encourage me to look for more of the same 2” pipes at other corners with the assumption they may be corners set by the original surveyor of the parcel.
Have a great weekend! B-)
Without all of the information it is hard to make any decisive conclusion....BUT it is really hard to ignore that 2" pipe. If I were a betting man I'd say that is the original corner. Then again how can you ignore the professional opinions of the remaining 3 Professional Surveyors (tongue firmly in cheek)
I set 1.5-2" iron pipes for all my stuff. I do it because I like the girth and it makes a statement. I also usually hold a bigger iron over a smaller iron is they're similar in age. But with that being said, I am out there setting 2" iron pipes today and I will be for the next 20-30 years!
More pins better than none.
When I see 3 or 4 monuments in a cluster, I know I'm getting close to the corner.
Interesting...I don't know anyone who places 1.5"-2" pipes. That is a serious statement..not easily ignored. But around here when I find a well weathered 2" pipe like the one in the picture I would have to have documentation blatantly describing something else as the original monument.
So, what is the general consensus on how to handle a situation where you are confident in your position but it doesn’t agree with the monument found on the ground for one reason or several?
Do you not set a corner just so you won’t create a pin cushion?
In my area the practice by other surveyors is to not set a corner at the “true” position but place a call on the plat – found al3 monument N34E 0.05’ from true position for corner “ and so forth. I believe this is missing the point to the client as they are requesting the survey to see where the corner is on the ground not on a piece of paper.
I have seen these calls stated as - “true corner N34W 1.45’ from found al3 monument”
I have a hard time thinking that the public would be able to figure out the true corner position from notes like this on a plat. So what do we do?
More pins better than none.
> When I see 3 or 4 monuments in a cluster, I know I'm getting close to the corner.
Perry, I love it! That is alot of how I feel.
And, it was funny!
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Bear Bait,
I would say that you need to set or recover the real property corner. I think that what many, or most, of us would disagree with you on, is why aren't you accepting a legal monument as the true corner location?
My methodology is to make my best professional judgement as to which monument represents the "true" corner. How I handle it on my plat or description, is I show the bearing I measured between the monuments I set or accepted and add the record bearing and distance in parentheses. What I am saying when I do that, is that I found the corners, ie: monuments rule, and what I measured between them vs, what the deed call was between them.
I think that I'd be tempted to hold the one I find is closest to the calculated or occupied lien/corner and start pulling the others. That's the cure for this sort of abomination!!
I think you misunderstood what I am asking. I accept found corners pretty readably, even accepting corners without recorded evidence. I list record and found on my plats.
What I am trying to convey is - in my mind and in the general consensus it seems that creating a pincushions is negative, but if a surveyor disagrees with monuments found on the ground for one reason or another than how do you get around creating a pin cushion?
Do you list the offset or call to the found corner without setting the position that you as a surveyor feel is the corner position.
I would say that you need to set or recover the real property corner.
I would find it hard to believe that any surveyor is knowingly out setting corners that they believe are not the real property corner, so I am confused as to this statement.
I set 1.5" pipes. The Bernsten 3/4" rebar markers fit nicely inside the 1.5" pipes. I even dig a hole and pour 80 lbs of sacrete around some of the ones back in the woods. Throw a few nails in the sacrete mix to help future magnetic locators out too! I also set 3/4" pipes inside residential neighborhoods.
