GUY ANCHOR EASEMENT DESCRIPTION

Andy Nold, post: 402707, member: 7 wrote: A client has decided that we need to show and describe an anchor easement for some power line easements we are preparing. We have been showing a radius at angle points where guy anchors will be shown but I am uncertain of the syntax in the metes and bounds description (which is normally just the centerline of the 30 foot easement). Does anyone have any sample text for how to call out the guy anchors?

Thanks

Andy, of course I looked and can't find a good example right now. But I think I can run it down for you.

As you stated most easements are written to the centerline. When I get to an angle point where I need anchor easement to start I call out the angle points "to a POINT A" or "POINT B" (and delineate those points on the exhibit) after the bearing and distance. And then just continue on with the centerline desc. of the easement. After the main description is complete I state "AND" a 10' anchor easement beginning at said "POINT A" thence "N30d22'E a distance of 35 feet to a terminus" and so on and so forth...

I've had so many the main easement only took one page, but the anchor easements stacked up past two pages.

How many anchors would fall more than 15' from the pole?

If they are tall poles and the anchors go out to say 30' that wipes out a lot of the client's useable area, especially in an agricultural field.

Paul in PA

Paul in PA, post: 402725, member: 236 wrote: How many anchors would fall more than 15' from the pole?

If they are tall poles and the anchors go out to say 30' that wipes out a lot of the client's useable area, especially in an agricultural field.

Paul in PA

The requested anchor distance is 30 feet, while the easement typically is 15 feet either side of the centerline. I would prefer to write the description with just a line as mentioned in Paden's post, but I don't necessarily know what bearing the guy anchor will be set. (I understand that most anchors are set in a direction 180å¡ from the strain of the wires, but I hate to assume).

In previous easements that we have prepared where we used the radius, payment was made based on acreage/square footage so the landowner got fully compensated for the entire area. As for wiping out the clients useable area, the work is in the middle of a big grease orchard. Fortunately, the fruit is underground and not bothered by guy anchors.

Having never done this exactly, and off the top of my head: "Together with easements for pole guy wires and anchors for poles at Points A, B, & E, said easements to be strips of land __ feet wide, the center line of which commences at the as-built location of each pole constructed at or near said Points A, B, & E, thence on a line towards and through the as built pole guy wire anchor, ____ feet, more or less, to a point___feet beyond said anchor."

Andy Nold, post: 402707, member: 7 wrote: A client has decided that we need to show and describe an anchor easement for some power line easements we are preparing. We have been showing a radius at angle points where guy anchors will be shown but I am uncertain of the syntax in the metes and bounds description (which is normally just the centerline of the 30 foot easement). Does anyone have any sample text for how to call out the guy anchors?

Thanks

Check your mail bro.

Already did. Looks same as Paden. Hate to assume which way the guy anchor goes.

Andy Nold, post: 402745, member: 7 wrote: Already did. Looks same as Paden. Hate to assume which way the guy anchor goes.

Andy,

Why not ask the co-op or municipality building the line about the direction of the guys? Most of the easements done here are on a bisect of the angle of the line.

Even if they miss is a bit, the guy will still fit within the easement.

I'll send you what we use in the morning. It's more descriptive than anything else

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When the load is plenty and the anchors fall in soft ground, there will be a need for an anchor opposite both alignments to the pole.

I would never second guess what the Coop crews would do around here, the final product rarely equals the plans.

Paul in PA, post: 402725, member: 236 wrote: How many anchors would fall more than 15' from the pole?

If they are tall poles and the anchors go out to say 30' that wipes out a lot of the client's useable area, especially in an agricultural field.

Paul in PA

Around here, most aerial distribution guy leads (the distance from the pole attachment to the anchor) are a standard distance the is apparently dependent on the pole size and conductor size and tension. Most 7.5 kV primaries are class 5 poles, with leads specified at 25'. Class 3 poles jump to 35' and Class 1 & 0 (transmission) are 65' to 75', but there's not much wooden transmission being built anymore; they seem to be using direct buried galvanized steel line poles with towers at the bends. These have huge concrete footings and are self supporting, eliminating the need for guy anchoring.

And you're right; the wheat farmers raise hell over anchors.

All the overhead electric easements I've done I've had the client mark where they want each pole and guy. Then I wrote a description around the easement, not a centerline description.

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Thence N90E, 400' to point A; thence N45E, 35' to terminus of said segment; thence from said point A, S00E, 400'......

Or as arcs about the utility pole:
thence N90E, 400' to point A, being the center of 35' radius arc to the north and east of described strip; thence from said point A, S00E, 400'......

Andy Nold, post: 402727, member: 7 wrote: The requested anchor distance is 30 feet, while the easement typically is 15 feet either side of the centerline. I would prefer to write the description with just a line as mentioned in Paden's post, but I don't necessarily know what bearing the guy anchor will be set. (I understand that most anchors are set in a direction 180å¡ from the strain of the wires, but I hate to assume).

In previous easements that we have prepared where we used the radius, payment was made based on acreage/square footage so the landowner got fully compensated for the entire area. As for wiping out the clients useable area, the work is in the middle of a big grease orchard. Fortunately, the fruit is underground and not bothered by guy anchors.

"... typically is 15 feet either side of the centerline."

EITHER side? Who picks which side?

Words are so different from meaningful intent. Having the perfect word to match the intent is quite a challenge. Intelligent people can assign more than one possible meaning to simple terms that are incredibly clear to the author.

The permanent easement rights include the perpetual right to install, maintain, and replace guy wires and necessary appurtenances outside the right-of-way for transmission line Structure 39 located at survey station 201+60, as shown on sheet 3 of US-TVA drawing LW-3279, revision 5, and located in the Fifth Civil District of Roane County, State of Tennessee

Jim in AZ, post: 402798, member: 249 wrote: "... typically is 15 feet either side of the centerline."

EITHER side? Who picks which side?

For the purposes of a casual discussion on an internet message board, I believe you understand my intent.

If not, I will restate my comment in that our easements are typically 30 feet wide with 15 feet on either side of the centerline and the remainder on the opposite side.

After reviewing the recommendations, we have discussed the guy wire locations with our client and they have agreed to include the proposed location of the anchors on the routing diagram that they submit with the survey request. That way we can narrowly define the location of the anchor centerline and not encumber excess area with a radial description.

Thanks for the recommendations.

I am curious as to how deep into the ground do pole anchors go? Are they dependent on the type of soil or other conditions. I have looked at hundreds of them but have never seen one installed.

Daniel Ralph, post: 402841, member: 8817 wrote: I am curious as to how deep into the ground do pole anchors go? Are they dependent on the type of soil or other conditions. I have looked at hundreds of them but have never seen one installed.

A standard (if there is such a thing) guy anchor comes in a number of lengths due to soil conditions, Around here most are 6', but there are lots of different kinds. Most have an auger bit on the end and placed with a gasoline drill hammer. For softer soils they use a "dead man" anchor system around here also. A 10' cross timber is placed (transverse to the run) with a backhoe. The cross timber has a threaded anchor placed through a hole in the timber and secured on the backside with a washer and nut. The old saying "place and repeat" goes a long way with this setup. The placing crews will set as many as it takes to get tension on the overhead conductors. I've seen poles with 5 dead man anchors space 15' apart trying to get a good pull in swampy soils.