On plats where you have multiple descriptions, some running clockwise, and some counter clockwise?
Sometimes it is hard to get all of them going the same direction. ie, one line says S 42°49'13 E, and the other one says N 42°49'13 W. Do you label the line twice, one for each direction, or do you just let the plat analyst worry about it?
What do you think?
Thanks.
Nate
Label it once & don't worry about it.
What is a plat analyst??? One of them thar bureaucrats that knows more about your job than you do, and makes twice as much?
We usually label it twice. Doing something like line changes or equal area swaps, when we don't write the legal descriptions, because you can be certain that the attorney writing it will screw it up......
Plat Analyst?....We have two people here: The P.L.S. - My Boss/Dad and ME: The Cad Tech., I-Man, Accountant, Human Resources & Chief cook & bottle washer. 😛
The Bearing directions on the exterior of Partition and Subdivision Plats should follow the Description directions. Interior lines, no, don't think using both even if there was room without cluttering would be a good thing to do. If someone can't determine the directions of any interior Bearings shown from the face of the Plat, what would two different Bearings for one line do to them? The less clutter the better as long as all of the required data is there.
jud .
If there is room to do it, we will show both. If it will make the plat far too congested we go with just one and let the interpreter figure it out.
However, if you have a single description, make sure the plat bearings match your description bearings. Every time.
When I first started drafting now. Now, what I do when I'm dividing a tract up, I annotate the original boundary, and use distances along the lines for each tract. For the interior division lines, I use two annotations. You can take my maps, and use the calls within the boundary lines, and it all runs clockwise and the tract stands alone.
I do this primarily for the pesky attorney who likes to write descriptions. It just makes life easier.
Never wrote it twice. Don't really see the reason. I always put arrows - so if you're going the against the arrow, that should be a clue.
We only show one. On the exterior boundary it will be the same direction as the description.
Instead of showing two, you could always convert it to an azimuth. 🙂
Twice - are you kidding?
"Do you label the line twice..."
Never, under any circumstances! I've never seen it done or even heard it mentioned in 40 years. I can't imagine ANY circumstances that would necessitate more confusion...
Twice - are you kidding?
I got into a two day argument with the title guy over that same question. He could not understand that a line that runs southeast also runs northwest depending on which end of the line you stand on. I never did convince him. At last he gave up. Label them once.
Twice - are you kidding?
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Twice - are you kidding?
A guy that works with me was trained to label the lines both direction. It was just how they did it where he worked before. He was very happy that he didn't need to do it any longer.
Twice - are you kidding?
I'm with you, Jim (maybe not as adamant). I never even thought of annotating the bearing of one line twice.
I think we fold way too much to "para-"surveyors.
Twice - are you kidding?
I had a real estate agent complain one time "Why do you surveyors make things so confusing? Sometimes the line is going this way . Sometimes it's going that way." Maybe labeling it twice would have made it easier for him. Probably not. There are many people, some of them very smart, that can not ever read a map.
I have seen it labeled both ways a few times. Makes no sense to me. I make all interior lines left to right, so almost always NE or SE. With arrows.
Twice - are you kidding?
I've had attorneys specifically request the double annotation, one in each direction, because otherwise they aren't able to "follow" the legal descriptions. It is a classic example of someone "checking" my work without a clue to what it really means.
Twice - are you kidding?
> It is a classic example of someone "checking" my work without a clue to what it really means.
Exactly! :good:
Jim
I totally agree that we can figure it out. I also know that I've had to key in hundreds of maps that were going in opposite directions that would reverse at corners. It's not a great thing, and even we can get confused at times.
So, everyone here knows that attorneys are looking at the data, and everyone knows they can and will screw it up. So I put them on the inside of the tracts so they can go clockwise with that tracts calls and minimize the error.
We have enough problems isolating and dealing with conflicting calls in deeds. I don't want my work product to be a part of it either because some attorney doesn't understand reciprocity of bearings.
Bearings
So how many of you guys go counter clockwise with your bearings? I always go clockwise and write legals the same.
Bearings
For CW, vs CCW, that is an old tradition, I think that came from some old software pkg, that had a problem with CCW. I go either way. And both on the same plat. (2 descriptions or more)
N
Many of my projects are family partitions and this happens very often for me.
When my survey will have descriptions on both sides of common boundaries, I try to label both sides.
When it becomes a clutter to do so, one label is good enough.
Only a few times have the ladies at title companies and banks expressed confusion.
I have had "know it alls" to insist that I insert both labels. I give them the phone number and address of the BOR if they want to complain.
No repercussions as of date.....
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