105 years @ Mile Post 1

Gravity?

Nice pictures.

Lewiston?

Loyal

Blame it on the city folk. They needed some nice rocks to build the first jail. Your "survey rock pile" was convenient.

> Gravity?
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YES! + weather, cow, and game!

Wait till I share Mile Post 2 which is at least twice out of plumb as this one.
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> Lewiston?

Yep! Hells Canyon! And once a piece of the Nez Perce Indian Reservation (1855).

should I have shot the dimple? The better question is

What part of "reconstruct or rehabilitate" don't you understand?

Here's your mound

should I have shot the dimple? The better question is

Who is the control freak that wrote that? Does the next section tell you where to send the bill?

Does reconstruct the accessories include growing new bearing tress?

I been doing corner records and remons this week (for the county and a little money). I perpetuate the evidence but I can't put it back to how it was originally when some or most of it is gone.

I wouldn't rebuild the mounds in the subject opening post. Tie out the location, dig a new hole, mark the bottom of the hole with a large Mag Spike and washer, reset the pipe and cap above that, or a new marker, concrete it in, take pictures, write a narrative, and file a decent corner record with the geodetic coordinates. That's what I do, if I can get paid to do it. That's the hard part, getting someone to pay for it and why the PLSS is in such disrepair. Nobody, including the government wants to pay, but they will pass a law that says you must do it whether compensated or not!

should I have shot the dimple? The better question is

> What part of "reconstruct or rehabilitate" don't you understand?

A mere field mut does not want to be accused of moving a state boundary without the backing and supervision of local survey authority on both sides of the line.

This was my best guess without disturbing the evidence at the scene. I'm sure your interpretation will vary from mine, but I was just runnin' a muck in the country so it-is-what-it-is.

Sorry!

> Wait till I share Mile Post 2 which is at least twice out of plumb as this one.

If the pipe itself isn't bent, the first thing I'd consider is soil movement. If the soil is a clay soil, downslope movement would be pretty much inevitable. In that case, the spot where the monument enters the ground is usually a very poor estimator of the original position of the monument. A better estimate is the base (the lowest subsurface point) on the monument, but if the top 36 inches of soil is gradually creeping downslope with seasonal wet-dry cycles, and the monument is set less than 36 inches into that soil, then things have probably ended up significantly downslope of where the mark was orignally set. One good clue is to look at whether other things like utility poles and fence posts are also listing downslope in a similar soil condition.

In this case, my money would be on relatively stable soil if the rotation out of plumb since 1908 hasn't been any more than appears in the photo. In that case, plumbing the monument over its base is usually the best way to determine where it was originally established. A shovel and tamping bar would probably have done the trick. Afterwards, yes, you should occupy the station mark on the brass cap. That is a job for tripod and tribrach unless you have a shorty "stake-out" pole that the bipod will support to mount the antenna on.

Here's your mound

Or is that the dimple?

I doubt that's what he has in mind..... probably something like MORE flagging and an even longer topo shot on nothing....:-/

well here you go then-

sorry but the first thing I noticed was the plumber's butt.

Great photos! Do you have a closeup image of the cap?

should I have shot the dimple? The better question is

There is some question about just how much a private surveyor can do with state lines. Talking to the BLM surveyors they don't seem to have a problem with me doing what I think is best in those situations.

But, when you find a monument in place like that one just how far can you go. It's been a question I've never got all that great an answer for. Some say you can't touch it only locate it.

What I remember about surveying in those hills above Lewiston/Clarkston was all the rattlers. Don't know of a place where there are many more.

> Do you have a closeup image of the cap?

Not the best, but has good age.
I will look through my other computer to see if I have any better ones.

I would be screwed anyway if I got it plumb cuz there ain't no dimple anyway :-S

well here you go then-

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Comin' from you, I take that as a compliment! So thank you kind sir!

Still better than a 1/4-assed attempt right?!

Here's your mound

More like a gaping crevasse! Kind of detracts from the picture I know.

He almost lost half-his-ass gettin' up there!