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WE HAVE A JOB TO STAKE THE 100 YEAR BASE FLOOD LINE ON AN OLDER RECORDED SUBDIVISION. IN OUR STATE WE ARE BLESSED WITH OBTAINING THE BASE FLOOD LINE IN A CAD FORMAT AND IF ON GRID COORDINATES THE 100 YEAR FLOOD LINE DROPS IN THE CAD FILE CORRECTLY.  WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN UNDER THE IMPRESSION TO DETERMINE THE 100 YEAR BASE FLOOD USING THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATIONS FROM THE FLOOD MAP (FRIS) OR PROFILE CROSS SECTIONS. NOW YOU CAN JUST USE YOUR MOUSE AND TICK IN THE FLOOD ZONE (AE) AND IT WILL DISPLAY THE FLOOD ELEVATION. WE TIE TO 2 GRID MONUMENTS WITH GOOD PUBLISHED ELEVATIONS, AND SEARCH THE GROUND FOR THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION ON THE SITE WE ARE WORKING. WE ARE USUALLY VERY CLOSE TO FLOOD LINE SHOWN BROUGHT IN FROM THE CAD FILE/BOUGHT INTO THE DATA COLLECTOR. AT OUR SOCIETY MEETING WE WERE TOLD TO STAKE THE LINE BECAUSE IT WAS THE FEDERALLY MANDATED FLOOD LINE SHOWN ON THE FLOOD MAPS. THEY ALSO NOTED TO RECORD ELEVATIONS AS WE STAKED THE LINE AND IF IT VARIED A LOT FROM THE BASE ELEVATION WE WERE FINDING ON THE GROUND WE MAY WANT TO CONFER WITH OUR CLIENT AND SUGGEST A LOMA (LETTER OF MAP AMENDMENT) TO BE FILED. OUR LOCAL CHAPTER HAS SOME VERY REPUTABLE SURVEYORS INVOLVED IN IT AND WE VALUE THEIR OPINION HIGHLY. JUST WOULD LIKE THOUGHTS ALSO FROM OTHER SURVEYORS IN OTHER STATES. THANS


 
Posted : July 13, 2025 3:00 pm
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First off..... it's really difficult to decipher your all caps stream of consciousness. 

I gather that you are proposing to stake the flood line that you have downloaded from FEMA's GIS. Am I to suppose that you do boundary surveys by downloading and staking GIS lines also? I presume that you would consider doing so just as absurd as I do. No - you have to find the flood elevation on the ground and stake that.        


 
Posted : July 13, 2025 9:37 pm
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I am use to using caps because we draft our maps with CAPS. No we do not stake property lines from GIS lines. We use deeds and the recorded plats. We have always in the past used the flood elevation on the ground and staked that.  That was the purpose of this post to get other's professional opinion. I agree also with your presumption.  Thanks for your reply.

 


 
Posted : July 14, 2025 5:47 am
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If I am understanding you correctly, it seems that at a recent state society meeting it was stated to mark on the ground the line that is downloaded with the FEMA digital flood information - holding those x,y positions over the published zone AE elevation when marking the line on the ground.

IMO:  I would not agree with marking the x,y of the downloaded data at all.  The line as drawn is not always accurate (which is why there is a map amendment process).  The base flood elevation as published (while I have disagreed with some of them) is the point that should be marked on the ground.

If the elevation marked is below the line from the downloaded data, a letter of map amendment might be useful depending on what the client is doing with the land.


 
Posted : July 14, 2025 7:37 am
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Marking the Flood limits on the ground isn't something that's done here (much). If it's needed for some reason, it's not done from lines in CAD. 

Unfortunately, they don't follow the elevation close enough to use. The last one I did, the ground was 2.5 feet higher than the CAD lines. Which was great news for the client. 

Same with property lines, the deeds and plats are a starting point, but the focus is normally monuments and boundary evidence. 


 
Posted : July 14, 2025 8:03 am

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I'll chime in with agreement on all the other posters so far. Stake the elevation of the predicted flood as it falls on the ground. The mapping done by F.E.M.A. has improved over the years with use of LiDAR data, but the flood line as mapped is still only approximate. Water doesn't care how the maps were drawn.


 
Posted : July 14, 2025 8:27 am
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The official answer would be to determine your 100 year elevation (1% change of flooding annually)from the Flood Insurance Study(FIS) Profile. One fun fact on lakes the 100 year flood elevation is sometimes different then what shows on the maps. 


 
Posted : July 14, 2025 10:01 am
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I am in agreement with all. We did not stake the map line. We used the base flood elevation as I have always done in the past. Our state uses the LIDAR data also. After we staked the elevation and compared it to the map line, they were close but not right on. Thanks for all the input.


 
Posted : July 15, 2025 9:03 pm
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